So any thoughts on folding hardtop versus potential targa top on the 812? I know folding hard top has been brought up before, just wondering if anyone has heard any new speculation or confirmation on the rooftop mechanism?
Just back from my TM 812 experience, in the new TM building which was the old design centre. I asked to visit the V12 production line to get some ideas, was told a flat N0! I was offered a walk down the V8 production line, mostly Pistas and afew Pista Spiders, and the odd 488 spider. I didn't spot anything new, the only odd car was a LaF with some camo graphics on it, which I though was a little strange
Apologies if this was discussed already but why were you not allowed to see the v12 line, is it something permanently new that they're not doing any longer or was it timing thing ? Iirc when I went 4 yrs ago we were toured past both V8 & V12 lines.
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I visited the factory two weeks ago for Atelier and had a chat with one of the staff. This person had seen sketches and said the car is very nice with some other exterior modifications other that the obvious roof. I have to say that i think it helps if you speak Italian as my accompanying dealer was surprised I got some info! The V12 line was open to visitors that day.
Ahahahah I imagine the dealer surprised rolling big eyes while the client starts a conversation in perfect italian, it reminds me a scene of "Inglorious basterds"
If it starts out like 500k fully spec’ed would make sense. In 800k the car needs to offer more than TDF to F12.
I heard 800k to 1M. Ferrari is real good at telling inaccurate info too many. So who knows. If the BB is indeed 800k-1M, this is good news for Pista owners. If the BB is 500k, then the 450-500k Pista are going to have a harder time finding buyers at a premium or maintain value when a higher range new car asking for same price comes out. A 500k car could actually damage the 488/F8 range car as there are not so many people who can fork 500k on standard vehicle (on top of 812, Aventador, ...), but the ones spending 300-350k still get "the prestige" of owner top of the range V8 Ferrari. If F8 becomes a "Portofino" , then they still won't sell this many 500k BB, but might loose some 300-350k vehicle sale. This is what makes me think that a well above 500k, say 650-850k priced car fits better.
V12 and V8 are different. In the V12 world, it's 400k or 2m at the moment, so if they fit another 812 convertible in 500k, that's not a problem at all. The BB is against another type of market, like between the gap of the super sports car and hypercar, so anywhere in 600-800k makes a lot of sense because in this price range, they can still move units. For under 1m, if the BB doors go up, close to 1k hp, mid engine, it will be a home run. It will destroy the upper market that other manufacturers getting into. At the same time, keep the current V8's and V12's market happy (like Pista, F8, etc.). It wouldn't cause any damage to the V12's like 812 and Lusso. Portofino is really at 200k-300k which is below F8's, they can come out with a performance version and pushing it to 300k or come out with a little brother version in low 200k is completely fine.
You make my point and I agree with you, but there is moving 4k units a year, and moving 500u per year. At 800k it totally belongs in the V8 line up, but I don't think its a Xk units per year car.
Yup! From business stand point, if the bb is not hitting 1k per year, they would start making them limited edition. Probably if the market doesn't take at least 2-3k units per year in demand, might as well make it a limited edition. Most cars don't sell very well after the first 18 months anyways. There's no point to be in regular production series if they don't sell.
Marketing an $800k+ non limited production car will be a challenge. Collectors will be fine paying more for collectible models but a multi year unlimited production $800k vehicle will be a depreciation nightmare. Ferrari constrains their V12 production to try to keep depreciation on their $400k cars from dropping precipitously, and they do anyway after the “got to be the first” buyers put their cars on the resale market. Even 812’s are starting to soften and are out only about year. It’s a supply and desire market, and Enzo himself was reputed to have said, “always build one less car than you can sell”. IMHO Ferrari will price the BB at $60o+ with many options included. If Ferrari prices a non limited 8 cylinder too steeply sales will stall and large depreciation will occur because of the relative ease of acquiring a new BB or another manufacturers equivalent at a lower cost. Ferrari knows this and won’t kill the golden goose by overpricing the BB.
David Lee also claimed to his followers that he was waiting to hear about an Aperta slot long after all allocations were set, and that #5847 GT is a competizione car. While I know he has been playing the Ferrari buying game and wouldn't be surprised if he got a car, he's been know to create hype without substance.
Sorry, I didn't know that. I only check his profile from time to time so I'm not aware of his previous comments regarding his collection (or allocations for LE/future models).
That was the figure mentioned in the BB thread, but the source also said "probably without options". Seems a likely and reasonable pricetag considering the level of performance. Grazie for the infos!