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Hamilton thinks Ferrari isn't reaching its full potential

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  1. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    He is no diety but his reputation to take a less than capable car and get the most out of it is not in question. Vettel's ability to race and capitalize on opportunity is.
     
  2. paulchua

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    Vettel makes me sad.

    That is all.
     
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  3. itschris

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    Ok... if you say so.
     
  4. Surfah

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    One poster in particular

    Truth

    LMAO. Hes a great racer when he has a superior car, gets in front by turn 1, stays ahead of DRS and coasts to victory.

    The SF90 is a capable car, Vettel's lack of racecraft is equally if not more to blame for Ferrari's shortcoming.

    Truth

    FA>SV all day. Alonso could take an average car and make it competitive. He had mental stamina to compete for WDCs when things werent going his way. No wonder many cognoscenti regard him as one of the greatest F1 drivers in history.
     
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  5. johnireland

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    Without a return to open testing we are throwing away money and building design crapshoots. The simulator is not a real car...algorithms do not make a real race track on a real day with real tires. The eight days of open testing pre season are a joke. Yes someone comes out on top...but there is none of the real competition as was had in the past. Senna, Moss, Fangio, Prost, Schumacher..they all would be struggling under the current system. There is no replacement for seat time in the car. With open testing you would see a real back and forth battle between four teams...you would see multiple teams and drivers fighting every race and the championships going down to the wire. We can blame Vettel, we can hate Hamilton, we can mock Bottas and complain about Max...but it is the current system that has made F1 uncompetitive and less than exciting.
     
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  6. P.Singhof

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    Aha... Vettels "lack of racecraft" is the reason BOTH Ferrari are 3/10 sec slower in qualy than BOTH Mercedes... because the SF90 is such a capable car
    And Lewis is celebrated "to adopt to the car" after finally being at the same level after 1,5 days as his wingman, who showed the car being the fastest from day 1....
    Now that does make a lot of sense, does it?
    But hey, when running out if reasonable arguments you can still post funny memes... welcome to the internet

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  7. william

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    I think lifting the ban on open testing ( or free testing), would open another Pandora box and favour only the best funded teams.
    Only them could bear the extra cost, and the gap with "lesser" teams would grow even more, IMO.
    There are no points gathered in testing, so no Financial return.

    With a maximum of 3 power units per season, the teams going for private testing would probably have to use other engines not included in that quota, I guess.
    With the logistics to attend 21 GPs per season, the teams couldn't possible use the same chassis, the same staff and Equipment for testing.
    So the rich teams would have to create a development team, working in parallel with their racing team.
    That existed at some point in the past, but the rules changed since.

    All these concerns would have to be addressed by the FIA, Liberty, the teams themselves before lifting the ban.
    Since the drive is to cap budgets in future, I cannot see that ever happening.
     
  8. of2worlds

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    Who has the most pole positions of current drivers on the grid? A nice stat but points at the end of the season are all that matter. There is only one driver who is still there consistently delivering on that score. The numbers don't lie...
     
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  9. P.Singhof

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    And what exactly does this has to do that it was said the fact that Lewis was as fast in qualy after being slower in practice is a proof of Lewis ability to adapt to the car???
    Why do you guys always come up with something completely different when you run out of arguments about your own points???
    Maybe Lewis should simply drive 2 seconds slower in P1 In the future so you guys can praise him for finding 2 seconds in between P1 and P2

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  10. william

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    It looks like someone has found a new sparring-partner today.
     
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    Adapt? He has been developing the MB car for years. Do you really think they will give him a car he doesn't like? Practice times are not to be judged because on the outside we do not know what the team was testing or changing to develop the set up for that race. Two drivers test different team set up ideas so why would both necessarily set equal times?
    The points are what is important and the rest is just a lot of hot air.
     
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  12. P.Singhof

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    And again the voice from the off....

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    I guess you explain that to your buddy... he said the difference between Lewis an Seb is that Seb is looking for excuses whereas Lewis adapts to the car ;)

     
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    OK, cairns the driver is adapting to the car every lap. Hell every corner he is playing with the settings and compensating for more or less traction. All while 'managing' the tires and wondering if his team mate is cheating on the engine settings.
    Seb on the other hand is wishing Kimi was still behind him on the track instead of back in 9th place... :D
     
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  15. Surfah

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    Adopt to the car? Didn't know Lewis had the paternal instinct going on with the W10 but hey, whatever works to ensure his continued dominance over the overmatched Vettel. Maybe Vettel should adopt his SF90 and then maybe he would demonstrate less proclivity to wheel locks and spinouts. LOLOLOLOL
     
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    The car wasn't right on Friday and most of Saturday but Hambone worked at it and produced when it mattered. It is why he is at the top of the F1 game.
     
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    The car was not right on Friday? Someone should have told Bottas who was fastest in p2 and p3 with it....
    But in your world it obviously must be the car when Lewis is not fastest

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    It’s been the ****ing car for five going on six seasons..... or have you only been following f1 via stats on wiki leaks or whatever? FFS. Bottles gets pole positions in the ****ing thing, that’s how dominant the Mercedes is...
     
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    Hahahahaha, Elton hasn’t got a clue what the buttons do on his car without the pit wall telling him.... it’s aint Rosberg in the Mercedes you know. Funniest post ever when someone tries to claim dum dum Elton is a ****ing genius! Hehehehehehehehehe My sides are hurting
     
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    Cap the budgets but let them spend the money any way they want. All the rules to save money have only increased costs. The 3 power unit (please give us back engines) is as counter productive as the testing ban. Big teams have always had more money than smaller teams. But in a more open version of the sport, there was always dragon slayers and davids who brought down the goliaths. The fewer the rules, the greater the experimentation and more daring the designs. The absurdity of politically correct "power units" is as boring as sex with a condom. I'd rather see 12 or 13 or 14 or 15 truly exciting races than the 21 yawn-athons we are now treated to. Something is terribly wrong when they legislate aero to try to make it easier to pass. Or when they have to add DRS zones. Racing is about pure horsepower, on the edge handling, and the size of the driver's balls. That's what makes for more passing and better racing.
     
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  21. william

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    Capping budgets is unrealistic, because it cannot be policed.
    Will the FIA be sending inspectors to scrutinise the accounts?
    Beside, teams operate in different countries, with different overheads, different work législations, different fiscal systems, etc ...

    Make the cars simpler and give the engineers less opportunities to develop, as an alternative maybe?
    Reduce the staffing level perhaps, but even that is difficult to enforce.

    As for reducing the number of races, you know that it means a drastic cut in income for the teams.
    F1 put itself in a corner when it expended to 21 GPs per year.
    F1 is addicted now to money, and trying to scale down will not work.

    It would take a large concensus among teams, the FIA and Liberty to bring F1 back to sanity.
    I cannot see the major players (Mercedes, Ferrari and RB) ready to give up any advantage they have to give a chance to the lesser teams to compete.
    Probably they would rather leave.
     
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    Yes Rosberg was great, glad to hear you can still smile. ;)

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    So let me get this straight, you post the above and claim you can judge!? whether an F1 driver ( I assume you mean Lewis Hamilton) is a genius or not....?.unreal..:rolleyes:
     
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    all this time and nothings learned... https://www.planetf1.com/news/hamilton-now-in-same-league-as-senna-says-berger/
     
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    I always smile when I see that tool with his squeaky voice pretending he’s a gangster while wearing a skirt or pair of pantaloons! He’s a real mans man eh? Elton is such a wanker
     
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