'05 612 6-sp Manual on BaT!!

Hi all. I have a Mirabeau blue 2006 LHD gated Manual I’m about to sell. 38k kn. Cuio interior. Original paint. Bumper replaced as it was scraped. All rubber bits and famous replaced. Upgraded oil cooler pipes. Totally restored by Emblem Cars in UK. Belts done. Outstanding condition. One of 42 LHD examples of the Manual. Not sure what it’s worth so watch this space. If you fancy it let me know. Sean.

 

There were no 575Ms built in 2006 (maybe some first registered in 2006), so he is likely talking about a 612. Mirabeau Blu was not a standard 575M color, either.

 

Sounds like a lovely car! Pics most welcome and do please let me know what price you are thinking. EU car?

 

I was going to start a thread for this 612 manual, but it's already been mentioned here. You know me, hot colors only.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-612-6-Speed-Manual-1-Owner-Luggage-included/273821510244?hash=item3fc108aa64:g:fXYAAOSwxL1cwfDV&LH_ItemCondition=1000|2500|3000

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Very peculiar in RC with yellow calipers, and no shields.

Not enough pix to even tell if it has a Daytona interior, but it is red and tan.

I'm going to see if it's also on AT.

 

Daytona seats confirmed!
I am always disappointed to see how the MT cars are equipped but they are invariably poorly optioned Such a shame given their perceived value and rarity
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What does "poorly optioned" mean to you? Just that it doesn't have very many options, or that it is missing some in particular?

 

Don- It means not too many boxes were checked on the option list. I notice the same thing on 575Ms. The 3 pedal was $10K cheaper, and many have very few options.

 

I always find that to be a poor wording choice, then. I'd much rather have only a few, carefully selected, options than carbon fiber plastered everywhere and big ugly wheels and some ridiculous info-tainment system.

Honestly, a 612 with NO options is a wonderful car. I have very few options on my 612 OTO, by choice, and the ones I have are those that I really wanted.

What other options would you want on this 612?

 

It's a fantastic car as it is. Most of the highly-optioned prejudice comes from the realities of the pre-owned market. That is all there is to it.

That's because, fortunately or unfortunately, a lot of us out here are just Shallow Hal kind of guys who want the classic RC, yellow or red calipers, shields, and a tan Daytona interior for V12's (But I think I'm looking for a Yellow V12 now). Things beyond that like colored inserts and piping I don't personally care for, but a lot of others do. It's supply and demand, and those most demanding are sometimes not the ones with the most thoughtful subtleties to their tastes.

 

Don, The OTO cars did not come with MT as Taz has stated but did come with lots of options as standard equipment the Gen 1 cars did not usually have. For the Gen 1 cars with MT I think the HTG package for that model year would be on my list with at least front parking sensors, Home Link and backup camera (if available on the Gen 1 cars). It is a pretty long car and front sensors really help even though not with the cement parking stops as I have discovered.

 

Great debate here and yes Don, what Taz and Randy refer to is precisely what I meant. The OTO you are lucky enough to own more or less came with everything in any case! And I certainly agree that any 612 is a beauty but I haven’t really seen a manual with any of the significant options such as larger Bose system, parking sensors/camera, HGTS/HGTC and yes a bit of carbon fiber wouldn’t hurt I subscribe to Taz’s theory that the manuals were actually more affordable and therefore didn’t have a lot of options lavished on them. And that’s the paradox... these now much more expensive cars have half the options of their cheaper F1 cousins.

 

I have front parking sensors, homelink, and the ipod connection on my 612, plus my color and interior choices, of course. Oh, and cruise control.

I don't buy for a second that any buyer of a new 612 passed on options because they were too expensive. Not convinced on that one at all.

This car, being black/black, might well have been one ordered for inventory (or forced on the dealer), so they might have spec'ed it minimally for that reason, but no customer would be passing on options because they were too expensive.

 

^^^^^^
Just shows how preferences change with time. The F1 with paddles was all the rage in the early 2000's now the FAD has worn off and the step children MTs are back in vogue.

DCT was not available in the early 2000's if had been I suspect the MTs would not be as much in demand as they are currently. I really like my dual clutch cars, the 612's F1 is not so great in automatic and most folks only use the manual option of F1. I thought F1 would be great in traffic - well not. So just shifting w/o the third peddle.

I have seen a few Gen 1 cars with the HGTC or HGTS and front parking sensors and a couple with rear sensors. But I believe the backup camera first came with the Boise system (not a great system but OK), on the later production 2007s cars. You could get the Boise system and one of the HGT packages but not the HGT 2 package until the OTO model. So a late 2007 car would the car to have for the MT aficionados. However I can’t recall ever seeing any MT on any car after 2006 however I assume they are out there but likely really hard to find especially if color and equipment are also important boxes to check.

I like your comment on affordability for the 612 as it was the most expensive production Ferrari at the time. So the MT 612s were for owners on a budget. LOL

 

Randy- HGT2 was available well before the OTOs came out and matched up with Motronic 7.3.2, although earlier 612s also had 7.3.2. Ferrari mixed up the HGTC and HGT2 names for the interim late 2007 and possibly some early interim 2008 models. HGT1 was available on the Sessantas from CY 2007 and was very similar to HGT2, with minor differences.

 

That's interesting as when I was looking for cars I never ran into a HGT2 on any non OTO cars or at least not so described by the sales listings. The HGT packages I saw advertised/listed were HGTC and HGTS and one HGT1 (on a 2007 or 2008 non OTO car) on the Gen 1 cars. I spent 18 months looking for cars on many different online sites, perhaps I never came across a Gen 1 car with the "2" package or the ones I saw listed were not correctly advertised? In any event it seems I incorrectly assumed that the HTG2 package was introduced with the OTO model since that was the only time I saw the Htg2 package listed as an option and most OTO cars I came across did not to have that HGT2 option.

I think I have seen two Sessantas for sale and I don't recall if either had the HTG packages. It was never clear to me the differences in the various HTG packages as they seemed to be different features in different years. I had thought as the newer base models got some of the functions of the priors years HTG equipment the newer HTG packages had other new functions hence the different names. But in any event exactly what was going on with these packages was and is still not clear to me.

 

The F1 on the OTO is much smoother at low speed than the previous F1. I use mine in automatic in traffic all the time, and it's great. You can actually shift it with your foot by lifting at the right time.

 

Don- The OTOs and the Sessantas had F1 Superfast I from the 599 and the software and clutch were both a big improvement over earlier 612s.

Randy- A description from Ferrari of HGT2 with features that predated the OTOs Superfast I system (Dec 2007). Note it replaces the HGTS package because CCMs were a separate option. Some interim 612s still identified HGT2 and CCMs together as HGTC, to add to the confusion, while others showed HGT2 and CCMs as separate options, as noted in the brochure.

If anybody is interested, I can post the factory description of the OTO package from February 2008. Never mind, here it is in pdf format.


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I think you are correct about the Gen 1 F1 and the version of the F1 on the OTO cars which is much better. But I guess your defination of great and mine may differ. My OTO F1 is compared to a DCT and IMO it is not close by a very wide range and I have 3 DCT Porshes to compare it. But as long as you are happy with it in auto go for it and I will continue to use the paddles for my F1.

 

That's fair. I'm sure the DCTs are smoother... but the F1A isn't bad. Maybe "great" is an overstatement, but it works acceptably, let's put it that way.

I've driven the older generation of F1 transmissions (in an earlier 612), and I would never use auto mode in that car.

 

It is going to be interesting to see if the inflated asking prices that we see for manual 612s prove out on BaT. Given the exposure BaT has, I think it's a pretty good indicator of where actual selling prices are.

 

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