Where did Dave Rocks go?

As a general rule, I suggest reading the entire thread before commenting. As mentioned MANY times before, it's not just about Dave's spamming, but his lack of adherence to the rules and inappropriate response to the Mods/Admin action. Furthermore, I agree he was beneficial to the community, maybe more so than any other sponsor... but since he went out of his way to try and harm the community, he is no longer welcome here. This has all been discussed, so instead of stirring up more drama, again I ask you to read the thread before posting.

best,
Jack

 

The only reason I think Dave would argue the “rules” as adamantly as he did and a trivial one imho, is probably because he didn’t feel he was breaking the rules in the first place?

Where are the rules laid out? I couldn’t find them.

 

Your post is number #129 and rob most recently discussed the location of the rules in #127. Please read the thread before posting

And while I was unaware the rules were hard to find in the Old theme (something we can work to fix in the future), I can assure you that Dave knew the rules. He went out of his way to know the rules so much so that he would often report other users/sponsors.

 

I did read the entire thread before posting, perhaps you should too.

I will refrain from commenting on your accusation of me stirring up drama, because if you are unable to discern between reason and drama then it's quite clear you are unreasonable to debate with.

 

Hé does have a point Rob- Ferrari owners tend to loooooove drama


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1. this is not a debate
2. it is not reasonable to claim Dave was banned only for spam, especially when the thread says otherwise
3. it is dramatic to conflate the American justice system with an internet forum

 

So was Dave banned right after spamming and that led to him taking it all the way to the CEO and writing letters or was he banned at the very end after all the drama?

*i’ve read the entire thread several times. This part is not clear.

 

I can understand if he reported other sponsors on “clear” rules, but I find it hard to believe he would point fingers at others and break those exact same rules. Only someone who felt he was granted some sort of favoritism (im sure he felt completely opposite) would go out on a limb and do something like that. I find it more plausible he would argue a rule that was less clear. A rule that was open to interpretation.

 

Thank you. Accepted.

 

No the reaction was not that quick

April 3 Dave posts spam, Moderator soft deletes posts (not permanent)
April 4-5 Dave starts private discussion with moderator, discussing rules
April 6 Rob steps in
April 7 Dave is banned
Within days (not sure specific dates) letter writing to sponsors and phone calls to our CEO

 

Well I am not a member of a lot of forums; I do see a lot of arguments about I know best; I got 10 ferraris and therefore my opinion is more valuable kind of things on here; but overall a lot of great resources !!!


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Surprisingly it is both. Dave was granted some favoritism as all long term sponsors are. He used to fight becoming a sponsor but once he did so, he was a big proponent of the rules (reporting users). He was also arguing that the rules were unclear which is why rob stepped in. Dave pointed to other sponsor behavior as a defense for his own, but the other sponsor did not post in the same manner (all at once). While the rules may be unclear, the discussions between admin and mod are very clear.

 

Honestly I never realized Rossa got more until reading it last night, I thought everyone was limited to 5 when it originally happened. And I’m just a guy who likes to tinker around and buy and sell stuff, right now I can’t do enough that could make enough profit to even cover the lowest fee, but I am hoping that changes in the near future.

 

This is an example of my problem with the new rule.
Buy new fabspeed exhaust for your car, list the old exhaust here in one thread "355 exhaust for sale"
Mod deletes your post, say you need to list the headers, the cats, the y-pipe, the muffler all in individual threads. Boom there is 4 of your 5 post gone for the year.
I am an enthusiast, not a seller. As an enthusiast, I love to swap parts with other enthusiast. There might be a lot of transactions, but there is no profit... in fact there is usually a loss lol

Like I said before, to curtail a few members who make a living selling on this site (not arguing that needed to be done), they chose to punish the vast majority of us simple enthusiast.


anyway, we're off topic, this thread can probably die now lol

 

Man, can you imagine what the world would be like if we still had Dave Helms selling Gold Connector Kits and those stupid silicone hoses without being a sponsor?
That was a guy that just walked all over the rules but many people just loved.

For the record, how hard is all of this?
If you want to play in the FChat sandbox....play nice and play by the rules.
If you can't find the rules....ask. They exist and adults know that.
If you find yourself arguing with the moderator, owner or CEO take a deep breath and step back for awhile.

Nobody here owes any of us ****.

 

Well, I knew what I was getting myself into from your first response, and promised myself I wouldn't waste my time since you seem to give an answer not related to what was originally posted.

Just for the record, so that anyone reading this doesn't believe what you wrote about me is true, I did not conflate this internet forum to the American justice system - I conflated the reaction and results of what happened to Dave to the American and Canadian justice system (yes, you left the Canadian part out). It may be difficult for you to understand that there is major difference between that and what you accuse me of. Ironically, it is you who seems to be dramatizing everything I post.

But, as Watson said, it's your sandbox, your rules. You can continue to have the attitude of "if you don't like it, I will take leave now and take my ball home so none of you can play anymore", it looks real good.

 

Dang. I step away for a few months and this happens?!

 

I'll say it's not so surprising to those that saw it the first time around - I tried to talk to him back when it first happened and was actually surprised he came to an agreement with Rob to become a sponsor - and then was even more surprised it lasted this long. I like Dave and he has a lot of knowledge, but for some reason he would chafe at authority - like really rail against it. Not sure why, but I'm not surprised it happened again, more that it took years to happen. Hope he comes to his senses again like last time, I think overall he's a big benefit to the community but I really can't figure out why he occasionally self destructs so extremely, and both times over minor stuff.

I will say this is overall one of the best moderated boards I've seen on the net - precisely because the mods are very transparent and don't shy away from their actions. Even if on occasion I don't agree, I always understand why, and it's honestly extremely easy to not fall foul of the rules.

 

Sorry I'm an optimist that only see's the good in people.


I know Dave well, he is on of the few people I ever met that puts others that need help in front of his needs. I never seen the man not go out of his way to help someone even if it meant his work has to wait.

If I had to repopulate the world he would be high on my list. Gene Palma also if you don't know who he is



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