812 VS Rumors

Do you have Pirelli or Michelin?

 

Standard Pirellis.I had Michelin on Speciale and loved them (once warm).
I investigated tyre options on 812 prior to delivery but had waited so long I went with easiest option.
Also did not want a track orientated tyre for a car I will use as a GT (despite Ferrari categorising it as a sports car).
Am thinking hard now what to put on Pista which I will use on dry days and on track.

 

Doesn 't matter; if you mistreat the loud pedal, any 2WD, 800 HP car will break loose. The new Pirelli PZ4 BTW is objectively (i.e. quantifiably tested) superior to the Michelin PS4.

 

Agreed.
My post was not aimed at the make of tyres specifically more a general comment that they are increasingly the limiting factor as power increases.

 

Will 812 TDF arrive in 2020 ？

 

i thought they said no 812 tdf

 

After seeing the latest mid engine car, the thought of a 812 VS has suddenly become much more exciting. Screaming V12, classic front engine looks. For me an altogether more emotively appealing car than a TT V8.

 

Screaming V12 rear mid-engine would be even better..

 

We can hope but I suspect we wont see a volume mid engine V12 ever again....

 

Maybe that’s right. But dreaming is still possible. A very wise man said once: “You have to dream a car first..”

 

Precisely - no use making a TDF version because It'll be slower than the SF90
Hence a spider makes better sense - anyways only time will tell

 

Will it make more money if they make an 812 “Tdf”?
If the answer is yes (and I think it is) then I would assume it will happen.

 

My prediction is that they'll save upgrading V12 until the 812 replacement

 

There will be no V12 replacement for the 812 after it’s iterations.........Stradale is it.

 

That's unlikely.

 

My thoughts.....no regular production V12. Only for Icona’s and LE’s going forward.

 

Once Ferrari exceeds 10,000 units the regulations become super-strict and fleet average for emissions kicks in. V12 would have to be made in small volumes.

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Please realize that Ferrari has already pretty much indicated no more V12 regular production.

From 2012-2018 Ferrari indicated future V12 will be hybrid, and not turbo

From 2019 Ferrari indicated future V12 will not be hybrid, will not be turbo, will not be downsized

So, what remains is keeping it the same, enlarging the displacement or, and this is the most likely, simply no more (regular) production

Maybe I've missed something, but what else could remain?

And, 'across the street' at Lamborghini they have been making a lot of noise in the past 8 months that their future V12 will be hybrid and it will be out by 2022...

So, with Ferrari directly indicating the SF90 Stradale is the new flagship and "boxing" themselves in (see my summary above, I have all the links on another fchat thread) and at the same time refusing to make any announcements (don't forget AM's Valkyrie, limited edition V12+hybrid), and their 'direct competitors' in the V12 space making big hybrid announcements, I think the writing on the wall is there for all to see, no more regular production V12, future Ferrari V12 will be reserved for special series only (i.e. hypercars)

If you have another assessment I would like to know what you have, thank you

 

You’re right that they said this in the past however recently they contradicted this speaking of the V12 continuing being naturally aspirated without turbo OR hybrid. Perhaps they can do this because of the deal between FCA and Tesla regarding emissions. Time will tell.

 

Its amazing tdfs aren’t holding up better given that its last of its kind...


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I’m guessing it’s a long term hold. Prices seem to be dipping but c’mon, people were dumping their LaF’s for this car.

 

Correct, but, that would likely require the existing V12 to have a larger displacement (so next version is even more powerful), plus, Ferrari has said the V12 (in the 812) is no longer the flagship, so, I sort of doubt that, and the 'connection' to FCA is tenuous at best and probably impossible, especially now that they are merging with Renault...

One more thought on the V12+hybrid is that it can only be accomplished if the V12 is mounted in a rear-mid-engine (rme) configuration because there is no room for the electric motors up front in the current front-mid-engine configuration (and the electrics would never be used to drive the rear tires and the V12 the front), so, I think it is clear that since the F50 the only rme cars Ferrari produces are hypercars...

 

that is only because many believe there will be an 812VS, once the market understands the reality we believe, I think Tdf's will hold and increase, might take 2-3 years before reality for all others sinks in...

 

You’re making many assumptions. The V12’s didn’t get demoted. The rear mid V8’s simply got promoted. They’re at a 700k price vs the 812 $450k price. Ferrari will keep the V12 as pure and for as long as possible. As far as not having room... You remember the FF and GTC4Lusso. You know they’re front V12 and have an extra gear box driving front wheels right...? I’m sure they can figure something out. They could simply keep the batteries behind the driver.