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  1. P.Singhof

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    The fastest lap of the Mercedes is not 1 full second faster than the rest because of the team but because of the car..The team just adds to this..
     
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  2. Bas

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  3. Bas

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    Pre-Monaco 2018 Verstappen would've stuck it up where the Ferrari left the track and very likely be collected when said Ferrari rejoined the track. He's grown an awful lot. Devastating fast kid, and now with superb race craft. I'm proud of how he used his head here held back briefly only to slingshot around the outside like it should be done.
     
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  4. DGS

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    Well, Vettel again pooed the scrooch in the first two turns.
    That kamakazi move threw him off the track.
    Meanwhile, Leclerc was passing Verstappen ---
    --- until Vettel jumped straight across the track, cutting off Leclerc, and letting Max get by both Ferraris.

    Then Ferrari brought Leclerc in to replace his hard tires (huh?) with mediums, when everyone else was going to softs.

    Are Ferrari TRYING to lose?

    (Would explain why they leave their cars out ruining each other's aero so much.)

    Vettel on mediums couldn't get around Leclerc on hards for ten laps? Sheesh.

    Ferrari is going to tank their entire season to keep from demoting Seb the boy blunder to #2.
     
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  5. Ney

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    I was not all all thrilled when Alonso joined Ferrari. This would fall well below that......
     
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  6. crinoid

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    LeClerc could be hired away from Ferrari quicker than one can blink should he get tired of their failures. They better start giving him the car and strategy he needs. I will say again that we are seeing the crippling toxicity of the driver contracts to favor one driver. When the team need to fight with all their might to capture all points possible they cannot because pandering to one driver per the contract.
     
  7. DGS

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    The depressing part is that Leclerc in a Merc could probably beat Ham in a Ferrari, the way the Ferrari pit wall is bumbling around.
     
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  8. crinoid

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    Absolutely. Should Ferrari lose Vettel AND LeClerc it would be disastrous. Not that Vettel is performing well but that he can evidently put up with Ferrari chaotic blundering insanity. Hamilton could not and would not deal with this. He would fall apart and blame the team similar to Alonso.
     
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  9. P.Singhof

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    And at the end Leclerc and Vettel were on the very same tires after the safety car and although Leclerc´s were 6 laps fresher he fell back...
    It is easy to blame Vettel for all of it but Leclerc was NOT faster, it is simply the car that is not there...
     
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  10. Bas

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    Ferrari can't even give their lead driver (if they have one) the strategy that's needed so I doubt they have the capability of deliberately ****ing up Leclercs strat. Ferrari is completely inept.

    All they had to do is say the following: "we're splitting strategies, do the swap now'' both early in the race and when Vettel came behind leclerc.
     
  11. Bas

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    Probably? Definitely. Hamilton is not the master of Bottas.
     
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  12. crinoid

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    It’s literally unbelievable. We are seeing Italian politics at work. Their is NO other reason they aren’t hiring the proper brains to strategize the races properly.
     
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    Protecting Vettel from Gasley on softs.
    While Vettel fell back from Max on mediums.
     
  14. Bas

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    There's a certain aussie that'll take up one of the cars if both where to leave. **** I'd say his current teammate will join him also.
     
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    Gasly fell behind Kmag also (albeit briefly), and didn't make a dent.
     
  16. Bas

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    been asking that question for 12 years.
     
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  17. P.Singhof

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    Aha... so all Ferrari did was using Leclerc as a barrier against Gasley... OK one can see a conspiracy in everything against Leclerc...
     
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  18. ingegnere

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    Did anyone other than Ferrari use Hards? I don't think so. What the heck was the point of that? You go to the end at 1 sec/lap slower? And then have to make another stop anyway?
     
  19. Bas

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    There isn't one. He wasn't on the pace in quali, he wasn't actually faster than Vettel in the race. What are they trying to achieve anyways? Who finished 4th?
     
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    I don't think so either. I've no explanation why they choose this strategy over any other. The logical one was pit lap 28-30 and go mediums. If they wouldn't make it, finish up on the softs. No brainer.
     
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  21. ingegnere

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    Armchair race car engineer here but if Ferrari want to improve acceleration out of corners they should start by bringing down the ass end of the car (and with it all the heavy lumps like engine and gearbox) to lessen weight transfer instead of chasing rake which Mercedes are obviously avoiding as much as possible.
     
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  22. P.Singhof

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    To imply Leclerc was driving slow deliberately to protect Vettel against Gasly on request of the pit wall is just a sign of the latest development in this forum... to talk down Seb and talk up Leclerc whatever they do even when the facts show different...
    Remember that Vettel is leading qualy 4:1 but I guess people will say that this is because of the pit wall as well.

    Fact: today Ferrari did nothing to favour Seb or why didn´t they say immediately that Leclerc should move over when Seb was coming from the back on a different strategy? Ferrari is so afraid that the public is butchering them for the help of Vettel that they are not even men enough to do the call when it is actually needed and when it has absolutely nothing to do with a race Vettel/Leclerc. At that time Vettel was on a 2-stop and Leclerc on one... so what is the point to let them race each other???
     
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    It will be interesting to see what the effect on both drivers will be. Will Vettel go back to trying to manage everything (as it sounded today) and see his performance decline (further?) because of it?

    More critically, I wonder what impact (if any) this will have on Charles. Perhaps none - he will merely bide his time and look for the first opportunity to leave for another team (Mercedes?) next year (his contract is only 2 years if I recall correctly)
     
  24. DGS

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    Leclerc broke his floor in Q2.

    Ferrari might have considered fixing the car, even if it meant starting from pit lane.
    Leclerc in a well-sorted Ferrari could pass pretty much everyone below 5th, anyway.
    If they could have started him from pit lane on mediums, they could have cycled Leclerc up to the front on the pit rotation, and then had Leclerc on softs while everyone else was on mediums.

    With a slower pace, Ferrari has to explore alternate strategies --
    -- but they need *workable* strategies, not just looking for new ways to get it wrong.
     
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    For the same reason they didn't move Vettel on flat-spots out of Leclerc's way:
    They're off the pace to call team orders after the many times they've done it clumsily.

    I suspect the two sides of the garage aren't communicating.


    Besides: If Vettel is the better driver, and on the faster tire, why couldn't he get around Leclerc on his own?
    If Vettel can't pass his teammate who's on hard tires (and with a broken floor), how would he challenge Max on mediums?
     
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