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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Because 2 drivers can score points for a team in the WCC, under the present rules.
    But each driver scores points for the WDC.
     
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  2. crinoid

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    This is a WHOLE other conversation however I think Constructors title rewards consistency more than anything else. Back in the day when this was invented not every team fielded 2 cars, correct ...?
     
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  3. SimCity3

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    Not exactly.

    When the driver messes up it affects both the team and the driver.
     
  4. SimCity3

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    Monaco pitlane is frankly ridiculous. Surprised car contact has not happened on a more regular basis.
     
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  5. william

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    That goes without saying.

    I thought you would have understood that ... LOL
     
  6. william

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    And you should know. You live there, don't you ?
     
  7. P.Singhof

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    I think Max was much faster than Lewis and his old tires... so if he would have been past Lewis he could have made the gap to 5 seconds, so he actually was racing Lewis

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  8. P.Singhof

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    Unless your name is Lewis Hamilton... when you win because the guy on the fresher tires can't get past it is you winning and if you can not pass the one in front on fresher tires yourself (2015) it is the team robbing your victory. So victories are individualized and losses generalized, how convenient for the driver

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  9. Bas

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    What does living there have to do with anything? Like most of us, I'm pretty sure he has a pair of functioning eyes like the rest of us. The Monaco pitlane is the narrowest and shortest of all.
     
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  10. william

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    Just kidding !!

    Aw, FFS, chillax a bit !!!
     
  11. Bas

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    You really should use those emoji's a bit as sarcasm doesn't really shine through on written internet.
     
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  12. Patrick Dixon

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    I think that's when they are actually behind the SC. In this case the SC hadn't lined up the cars because it hadn't found the leader.
     
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  15. Bas

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    I had a look, rules are clear as. SC boards where out and SC was deployed. Bottas broke the rules.
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  16. Mitch Alsup

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    When the team messed up it affects both the driver and the team.
     
  17. william

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    I think you show too much your bias towards Verstappen now. Maybe being Dutch and all that maybe?

    The author of this article wasn't the only one calling for a stronger penalty, in view of the damage done.

    Red Bull was at fault, and the only way to punish them was to inflict a strong penalty on Verstappen.

    A drive through penalty was rightly deserved, IMO.
     
  18. ago car nut

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    Monaco is a neat race with tradition! Too bad it is impossible to pass!
     
  19. william

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    A place where you can't pass cannot host a proper race. The modern F1s have overgrown Monaco.
     
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    Bottles and Elton seem to do the safety car shuffle a lot, and always get away with it. The FIA seem unable to consider upsetting their paymasters in Munich, regardless of how obvious the bias and favouritism becomes....

    Having seen some highlights earlier, it’s a shame LeClerc didn’t use his loaf a bit when he went to the back of the grid after his crash, he should have lain in wait for Elton and had a little accident with him instead of a useless one with some backmarker muppets, far more use to ferrari than driving around in circles for a few laps before retiring a broken car for nothing. Costing merc points should be foremost in his mind at the moment..... I wouldn’t have hesitated (Binotto, Ferrari have my number, give me a team order to trip a merc up, it’s on, and my only payment required is to be allowed to watch Elton crying into his milk after retiring from the race! Hahahahaha). Can you imagine the fallout? The FIA would **** themselves and probably call for the death penalty for me, hitting a Mercedes like that. I’d only have to brake test him somewhere iffy, dead easy to do, and payback for Baku!
     
  21. Terra

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    Do you say this in jest?

    With you, it’s sometimes hard to know whether you’re being serious, or just trying to get a rise out of us.
     
  22. SimCity3

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    Sure, but much more entertaining and authentic is the TT which we're heading to tomorrow.
    And yes, TT racers do occasionally bang legs and panels when passing. It's not a sport for *******.
     
  23. Patrick Dixon

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    It doesn't say anything about 10 car lengths though. So we are down to the interpretation of 'unnecessarily slowly', which is a bizarre phrase to use given that the cars are not racing due to there being something 'unsafe' about the track condition.

    Apparently it is much more serious to hit someone at 30mph than 20mph .... (according to UK government adverts)
     
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  24. Bas

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    I think unnecessary slower was more apt here, 10 car lengths (a rough measurement I agree) is mentioned several times in the rules. Given that Lewis skated ahead, I think we can all agree Bottas was driving ''unnecessarily slowly'.
     
  25. william

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    It may comes as a surprise to some that apparently similar infringements of the rules are treated differently and attract different outcomes.
    The location, the parties involved, the circumstances, the stewards are all different for separate incidents.
    It's just like the justice system coming up with different sentences for what are on the surface similar crimes.
     

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