812 VS Rumors

As for MY2020 and beyond 812's...

If the exhaust on the 812+GPF is too muted and/or there are performance problems with the GPF (to date, no Ferrari has had GPF, upcoming production of all models will include GPF but no 'customer history' as of yet...), if there are problems with the automatic emergency braking (no system to date is 100% perfect on any car) and especially if it cannot be disabled then it may be that pre-MY2020 812's become more valuable...

One additional thing to consider with the GPF is it does "absorb" power by making it substantially harder for the exhaust to pass, so unless Ferrari raises the power of the V12 by 5% or so the 812 will have less horsepower (i.e. from 789 to 820+ HP), for instance, BMW didn't bother even though their V12 is turbocharged so raising power is easier:

http://www.driversmagazine.com/bmw-will-retain-bigger-v12-engine-till-2023-thanks-upsurge-demand/
From article above...
"The engine now offers 577hp and instead of 602hp."

 

GPF: Less power, Less sound. Not much to like about it.

Oh yeah, it will save the planet, I forgot that benefit.

 

I too hate automatic emergency braking; it has deployed on me at times that it was not needed one bit!!! Fortunately though it is defeatable on all cars, so don't worry about it.
Regarding power, Porsche managed to make more of it despite the introduction of a GPF. BMW was just lazy. Don't worry, Ferrari won't mess things up!

 

+1'000'000'000!!

Marcel Massini

 

Not to get P&R but GPF saving the planet is such a silly thing.


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Actually the GPF is intended to prevent untimely deaths (of people), not save the planet per se...

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/air/sources/road.htm

 

Ahhh. Well at least that makes sense. I love not living in a big city.


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Left out the burning cauldron of constant heat. Run some finite element analyses on materials and systems then increase the heat substantially and watch the time to failure shrink. GPF serves a worse purpose than Start/Stop only much more costly and negative to our industry's future.

 

Yes, all that plus the gift of added weight. GPF: the gift that just keeps on giving.

 

Since when is the protection our health useless?

 

That's the fallacy, it really does no such thing. It's ultimately about removing independent personal transportation from our lives. Many more lives are saved by completely banning cigarettes, so why doesn't the EU do that? Right, because that's not the point of the GPF and all the other burdensome regulations on automobiles.

Look at the way the EU is going about this, very abrupt changes with very little notice to the automobile industry.

If you realize the amount of particulate matter (by weight/volume) emitted by an 812SF it is on the order of 1/1000th of a gram per mile (or 1mg/mile), see page "3 of 4" below, column heading "PM g/mi"

https://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/pcldtmdv/2019/ferrari_pc_a0400098_6d3-6d5_u3-125.pdf

Euro 6b regulation standard is 4.5mg/mile

https://www.aecc.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Real-world-emissions-measurements-of-a-GDI-vehicle-without-and-with-GPF.pdf

I'm sure you realize how infinitesimally small that amount is, correct?

Well, the EU realizes that too, so, the instead opted for counting of the number of particles (i.e. particle number or PN) and they reduced it by a factor of 10 (or by an order of magnitude), that's what they have done (they do not care about the volume of matter any more, just the number of particles!), plus RDE testing must always pass otherwise a 'stop sale' order will be placed on that particular car model throughout all of the EU.

When realize what they are doing you realize it has nothing to do with your health at this point, please realize that a car stirs up (even an all electric car) more particulate matter just driving down the road than it is emitting...and yes, there have been mentions of putting a "particulate filter" on brakes!!

https://www.autoserviceworld.com/products/brake-dust-particulate-filter/

Plus, when you consider what we are talking about in this thread, an 812VS(or a regular 812 for that matter), total V12 production by Ferrari rarely exceeds 2000 units per year (I think only once has that ever occurred), and these changes in emissions regulations will make zero difference to anyone's overall health.

 

Incredibly well said. It’s all about governmental control. They create more problems than they solve.


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It’s already the fastest Ferrari other than the hybrid..they’ll slow it down like the speedster, limit production and sell out, creating collectibles for the future

 

Agree 100%!!!


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Nope

 

Not sure Ferrari has ever deliberately slowed anything down other than the laws of physics intervening


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Why must the US have this GPF nonsense?
The 812 already runs without it, so why can’t they continue current production for US?

 

Having seen their production line and the limited number of V12s they produce per day (even less than V8s) it would be difficult to see how they can be producing 2 variants of the 812 without causing noticeable delays. Now that they’re a publicly held company, productions numbers have to increase and alternating 2 variants of the same car for various markets would not make any business sense IMHO.


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I was under the impression that a 812 convertable is coming first....not a VS

 

Current 812 will not have GPF. Confirmed to me by somebody “special”
812 spider and VS still unknown.



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Also not for European cars built after 8/31?

 

I agree. Sounds impossible as it would violate 2020 emissions in Europe.


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It's an old and long story: please give a look to what happend with 308 GTB/GTS USA model in 1978-82: a ton of anti pollution devices, much more weight, less power and much more headaches. It didn't save anything or anyone 40 years ago and It won't do it today (in my own opinion)

ciao

 

What I mean by slow it down, is that there will be drag due to the open top, as in the speedster. It will loose 1 second on acceleration, but the drop top fun, will ensure a sell out of any an all production. I also feel any GTO or TDF, Aperta model, will only be in coupe form.

 

The information I gathered is for Europe. I presume it will be same in other regions.


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