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348 R12 freon capacity?

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  1. ferrari360driver

    Apr 8, 2012
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    Anyone know the capacity of the 348 freon? Also how much oil the system needs? I am evacuating my system and installing a new expansion valve, O rings, and drier. Then going back to R12 from R134A.
     
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  2. Motob

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    It's in your owners manual with all the other fluid capacities: 150cc of oil, 2.4lbs R12.
     
  3. fdekeu

    fdekeu Formula Junior

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    R12 is a CFK and very harmful to the ozon layer
    Also a green house gas: Global Warming Potential 8500x that of CO²
    Banned worldwide since 1995!!
    Plse do not use it
     
  4. AuthenticRebuilds

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    sounds like you know what your doing. I did find with a mercedes c55 I had, that I had forgotten about the vacum pump running overnight. I shut off the valves and gave it a few hours to check and see if they had moved for leaks and was happy they hadnt moved. after filling that car was very very cold, I had a pic somewhere but it was in the 20s coming out of the vents cold. since then when I charge a system i do the overnight vacum and I love it here in SC. To bad non of those cars have had cupholders by the vents it would be a great way to keep my beer cold!!!
     
  5. 97 Spider

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    I’m curious why you would go back? When everything is working properly R134 is an adequate cooling agent. I find R12 to just be a pain these days. You have to have a license to buy and use it so anytime you go low you have to pay someone else for something you could do yourself in 5 minutes with R134 which anyone can buy at any auto parts store or Walmart...
     
  6. ferrari360driver

    Apr 8, 2012
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    simple. r134a is not blowing ice cold. new compressor and new drier in the car and yet it blows cool at best and properly charged. I am switching back because that is what the car was designed for no matter what adapter ports have been installed and called a "conversion". I am doing it because I can get endless R12 for 20-25 bucks a can without a license. Its my choice.
     
  7. 97 Spider

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    Nobody said it wasn’t... you’ll have to let us know if it actually improves the output temperature after changing back to R12.
     
  8. m.stojanovic

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    In the case of R12, I don't weigh the cylinder when filling or topping-up. I use the well known method - fill until there are no more bubbles passing under the sight glass (occasional few bubbles a re ok).
     
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  9. ferrari360driver

    Apr 8, 2012
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    so according to my shop manual its 210 CC of oil or 7.1 ounce. When I evacuated the system today I only got 3 ounces out. Hoping a good bit is in the old dryer. Any tricks to getting the rest out of the compressor?
     
  10. m.stojanovic

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    The rest is not in the compressor but spread around the system. According to the table at the bottom of page 2 in the attached document, as a guideline, the Condenser, Evaporator and Filter Dryer take about 4 oz. (you can ignore the "Accumulator" shown in the table). Thus, you have the balance of 3 oz. in the compressor. The specified 7 oz. is when the whole system is completely dry. So, if you are not replacing any of the mentioned components, just put back 3 or so ounces. If replaceng, say, the Filter Dryer, add another ounce. Alternatively, you can flush the whole system (with a special AC solvent), leave the compressor to drain for a couple of days, replace the Filter Dryer (recommended anyway to be done at every disconnection of the components) and then you can put the whole 7 oz. in.
     

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  11. ferrari360driver

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    any suggestions on draining the compressor oil?
     
  12. Wade

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    Your post rings a bell...

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/144706520/

    The '90 ts I owned was previously converted to "Freeze 12", which is no longer available. "Freeze" was an understatement! :)


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  13. Wade

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    But after the car blew its compressor clutch (on the way home from the car's full engine-out service) I had it fully converted to R-134a. It was still too cold to run at full blast, even during Florida summers.

    My current '92 tb runs very cold using R-134a.
     
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  14. ferrari360driver

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    Yeah I am converting back to R12. I have it on the shelf, got myself some ester oil and a flush kit
     
  15. fdekeu

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    I just made a 10-day trip to France, Switzerland and Italy
    On the way out is was very hot in France
    Noted temps up to 38°C (100F) of outside air
    Incoming air temp was as low as 12°C (55F)
    Temp of A/C was set to 25°C as to not make it too cold in the car
    Using R134a in my 348GTB

    Conversion was done 3yrs ago, so still running fine
     
  16. rob.kruiswijk

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  17. Bucci

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    When converting to 134a why aren’t folks saying you don’t need to swap expansion valve? Is it ok to use original and just change the dryer?
     
  18. Carmellini

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    I wouldn't do without changing expansion valve, along with drier, and all O rings. Also, make sure to flush/drain all the
    mineral oil that is not compatible with R12. POE or ester oil is your best choice for retrofit; it is compatible with both R12
    and R134a.
     
  19. Bucci

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    Really want to stay r12, but its getting harder to obtain.
     
  20. Bucci

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    Just bought a jug on Offer Up
     
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