360 Samcrac salvage 360 Modena Spider - Verde British Racing

Well Sam posted a new video on the Ferrari today. Probably smart sending the ECU’s and imobilizer parts in for diagnosis. Seems like he’s been talking to someone. Also seems like my suspicion on the timing belts was warranted too as he can’t find any record of them ever being changed. I’ll reserve judgement on the floor repair until I see it finished.

 

awesome thanks for the heads-up.... on my we watch list!

 

Just watched it..

He shows both banks are running different Ignition ECU part numbers. Dear god no no no...

I have seen this before and its bad new for the engine including misfires and all sorts of hard to diagnose issues. The problem is they tend to fight each other as different model years run different maps and different config so this is very dangerous for your engine. Bosch should have sent the ecu firmware version over the comms line and refused to start unless both ecu's are running the same version. Shame on the engineering team they didn't add this safety mechanism.

He also made the very common mistake of saying you can just buy a used ecu and swap it over. No you cannot, this is a common misconception, it must be reflashed if the part numbers don't match up. The ecu's *must* run the exact same software. Yes ALL 360 ecus can be used on all model years but the firmware version is specific to a model year and it must be identical on both banks. So technically you can get a used ECU and re-flash it to work on either bank but you cannot just buy any and slap it in your car.

 

360trev...... if you don't mind I'll direct him to your post...... if he has not already observed it... he appears to be mentioning some of the criticism from this post in his little pre-ambles ....... god-speed samCRAC

 

Absolutely fine with it..

I'm sure I could save him money too and give him a lot of advice that would save him cash. There isn't much I haven't seen on a 360 now..

 

For all the good it will do, as he would have to see it first, I left him a comment on the latest video directing him to this forum. I think this car can be saved but it’s going to need a lot of specific things addressed and be done properly. There is a lot of information in this section specifically about problems and repairs for 360’s.

The 360 still holds a special place in my heart as it was the first modern Ferrari I fell in love with on my own. And I think his car has a lot of life left, if he doesn’t screw around. There is some speculation that some mistakes are intentional and for the sake of entertainment value, and that could be the case but there are people out there that use videos like this for actual future information on cars they intend to buy and to cut corners is just bad advise. It does Seem he’s been talking to someone that has given him some good advice so hopefully that continues.

 

Was a poor jump start the root of this problem? I'm wondering how the electronics on this car have gone so bad.

 

That could explain why there are 2 ecu’s with different part numbers.

*NOTE the following is total speculation, and really only really a what if type scenario*
Let’s say someone bought this after a jumpstart attempt and opened the front hood and disconnected the battery disconnect and replaced a suspected “bad” ecu from a jumpstart attempt, reconnected the battery disconnect but didn’t close the front trunk lid all the way. During test drive hood flew open resulting in current damage, and not fixing problem. Owner then decided to cut losses and auctions car.

If the above is the case there still could be issues with the tcu, immobilizer, and the other ecu plus the body damage and windshield damage. It also appears the interior has significant sticky problems. On top of all that there is the unknown maintainance history so along with the oil change you’d have brake fluid flush, coolant flush, F1 oil, plugs and coils, timing belts, accessory belt, and I don’t recall if he mentioned it or not but possibly clutch. So really probably not a cheap Ferrari by any stretch of the imagination.

So when he’s done he might have a well sorted branded title F1 360 that he might likely have been better off buying a sorted clean title car for. The unknown factor is how much he actually will make for each video featuring the car. If we go by the numbers posted earlier in this thread maybe 10k plus sponsor money, so not much.

But I’m still a fan of watching these cars get rebuilt for what ever reason but even with places like exotic auto recycling ect. And assuming vtuned does all the body work (labor) for free It’s still not going to be cheap. But there is a reason I personally wouldn’t buy an exotic and rebuild it and that’s because it wouldn’t be cheap, and after you’d basically have a car no one would want, unless it was virtually free and even then.......

 

and the plot thickens for this notion that a bargain basement salvage car can provide a cheap Ferrari for anyone with a set of wrenches and the desire...

 

Yup, stakes are higher for sure.

Popcorn ready

 

I bet Trev could fix all his electrical issues in an hour...

 

After him and I talked on the phone that one time he never responded to any of my messages trying to help him further so as far as I'm concerned, he is on his own.

 

For him it's a win-win regardless. His first goal is to keep his YouTube content up and second to bring the car back to life cheaper than expected...both of which he'll probably succeed at. Guy also seems to have a fetish for salvaged cars.

 

I imagine the u toobers like the attention.... the fame game!

 

New video up. I won’t ruin the surprise, but the ecu’s were from different cars.

 

Here is another SamCrak on the salvage 360

 

As I said in one of my previous posts, was probably smart to have sent those ecu’s off. But no surprise a neglected Ferrari broke fairly quickly, oh and had random misfires. He needs to do some major servicing on this car, and for crying out loud tighten the battery terminal on the battery and use the disconnect in the fronk.

 

I bet the belts may have never been done !

 

Random misfires are directly related to running 2 different ignition ecu part numbers on different banks.

 

He said he couldn’t find any record of them having been done. If it were me I’d just do all the fluids, belts, plugs and coils on top of the ecu flash before I did anything else.

 

Reflash to what though? What firmware originally came with his car? It will need some effort to track back from chassis number and model year., etc. They could try using firmware from either side on both ecu's but which one is his original? Who knows the origin of those ecus and which one is right for his car? Just flashing an approximate version isn't the best advice, you may end up with all kinds of gremlins and unsolvable CELs...

I've actually helped several people out whom have had this issue before and it can get quite messy..

Really at this stage he should upgrade to 2005 spec firmware, last version ever produced but if he wants that he needs to speak with me, nobody else has developed the tools to convert later firmwares to work on earlier cars than me. My SAK tool can even convert CS firmware to run on a 1999 MY car, even if its gated it works.

 

I don’t dispute what you are saying at all, and I did wonder if the ecu they copied the code from was the “correct” ecu. But he’s not talking to anyone that is actually trying to help him and he’s convinced he doesn’t need anymore then a regular obd2 diagnostic computer. He’s trying to prove you can fix exotics without a dealer, which you can, but you DO need a better understanding of the cars you are working on and what is required. Honestly I top of the ecu issue if he keeps driving around on possibly original timing belts he’s going to have a really expensive garrage ornament that he won’t be able to repair “cheap”.

IF this were me I’d have at least changed all the fluids and at the very least opened the access panel and inspected the timing belts and tensioners. I’ve read enough of your posts to know I’d at the very least ask you what you thought reguarding the ecu and immobilizer issues.

But I’ve decided I’ll likely never attempt an exotic build, too expensive and likely more expensive in the long run. I had hope he would have at least listened to the good advice and given the world an honest you can rebuild a salvage Ferrari, but you still have to follow this plan. Who knows though.

 

I guess it's "show business". Other than that, I can't imagine he is going to end up with a 360 that cost him considerably less than a decent car with a clean title-- and in fact will probably cost more by the time it's all said and done.

And he will still be saddled with an expensive rebuilt salvage branded 360. What's that going to be worth?
Just don't see it.
Except for the gratification of the u-tube fame and a few grand for his efforts, I just cannot see the point.

 

I think the goal is to milk these exotics for views, as the videos for both the Ferrari and Lamborghini have been getting a lot of views fairly quickly, compared to his other videos. But the problem I see is the disinformation. Some poor person is going to see this and think ohh I can do this too, and then will become disheartened with the brand and talk bad about it.

I think it’s safe to say none of the fine folks here would be overly interested in this car, and as others have stated it’s a branded title so good luck. It might sell, eventually, but for way less then he’s assuming, and probably for far less then he’s going to have in it at the end. The sad thing is it could have been an ok drivers car for someone that didn’t dilly around trying to get views, since in my opinion the floor damage once repaired isn’t that bad.

 

I just watched the latest installment where they went to an "ECU" specialist...All looks very impressive except they got it totally WRONG...

I present evidence...

Part Number 181642 is for a year 2000 / 2001 US Spec F1 car
Part Number 201752 is for a year 2004 US Spec F1 car

They claimed that 181642 was programmed by Bosch for a 6-speed manual car.. Well yes if you figure on an F1 car being classed as a manual. It WAS NOT from a gated car...

If they knew their Bosch ECU terminology better they would have realized what they where saying was total BS because

On the Label Whenever you see

F131 USA c.e.

The 'c.e.' means Electronic Robotized Gearbox
and 'c.m.' means Manual Gated Gearbox..

So if you see any ECU that has c.e. you know for certain its from an F1 car, not a gated car...I really expected them to know this!

Like I said before, should have just given me a call..Guess it wouldn't have made such as good YouTube video huh?

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