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Ferrari SF90 Stradale : picture and news thread

Discussion in 'SF90 Stradale' started by maha, May 29, 2019.

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  1. noone1

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    My hope is that they get bought by Mercedes. If they don't, they'll likely ultimately fail. They have terrible financials. They should design cars, not develop them. Even Bentley struggles to make money and be worth the investment according to VW, so I can't imagine how bad it must be for Aston Martin.

    The reality is that other than Ferrari, there's not much indication that niche exotic manufacturers can survive on their own. Lamborghini doesn't make much money. McLaren likely loses money. AM loses money. VW says Bentley is sucking. At some point you can't justify the return on capital. Some marques would be better sold off and just invest in the SP500 haha
     
  2. paulchua

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    #1727 paulchua, Jul 6, 2019
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    See, this post is what I was talking about earlier here.

    Of course, the Fiorano lap times are framed through a marketing lens, just not the way you think (more on this below)

    Yes, Ferrari released the Pista and 812 as having the same time, yet it's like half of you doesn't realize what the other is doing again.

    You speak so authoritatively and have talked down on so many Fchat members; I sincerely thought perhaps you were on the 'inside.' I've seen arrogance come from two positions: Experts lacking patience or idiots masking insecurity. As you can see, I've assume the former in good faith.

    Yes, Ferrari released the Fiorano lap time as being identical between the Pista and 812, but not to inflate the 812, but to under-rate the Pista. Underrating cars is a common practice, in fact the latest Supra has been documented as such.

    You seem to know lap times quite well. So I was surprised you forgot about Anglesey's Pista time that was well within Holy Trinity range - That Christian Gebhardt beat by almost 3 seconds in a Pista the fastest 918 times at Hockenheim. Hell the Stig set the quickest production car time in the ever-hyperbolic Top Gear (yes, over Plato's La Ferrari time at over 2 seconds) - these are all readily public and published in either magazines or recorded on tape.

    May I suggest you frequent the F1 forum if your desire to denigrate the marque cannot be resisted?

    At least there you would be right at this moment within Ferrari's 90-year history in F1.
     
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    (speechless) (clapping) maybe there's hope afterall gentlemen. He's just acknowledged one of the largest reasons why Ferrari is often favored over other cars that are undoubtedly 'faster.'
     
  4. paulchua

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    It's can be very blurry line from being a perma-critic or a troll. Last few folks that seemed to take the anti-Ferrari position and spent this amount of time here were akin to jilted boyfriends stalking their ex-girlfriend.
     
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    #1730 noone1, Jul 6, 2019
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    I simply was saying that your claim that the SF90 is quicker around Fiorana is likely wrong and that it's purely a marketing exercise to make the SF90 look better than the LF. The time difference between them is not enough given what we know about tire changes in the last 6 years.

    It doesn't matter if they underrate the Pista or overrate the 812. You saying the SF90 is quicker than the LF is the same as saying the 812 is the same as the Pista. You acknowledge that the Pista is "underrated", yet you don't acknowledge that the LF is "underrated".

    So I'll ask you, why is the Pista underrated vs the 812, but the LF not underrated vs the SF90?

    Also, regarding the Pista vs the 918 at Hockenheim. Have you seen the comparison done between the GT2RS on Cup2 vs GT2RS on Cup2 R? The difference is like 2 seconds and that's between two tires of the same generation.

    What do you think will happen to the 918s lap time when you replace the low rolling resistance tires from 2014 with Cup2 R from 2019?

    The Cup2 R knocked 2 seconds off a 1:28 lap time for a GT2 RS compared to a Cup2. Do you not think the LF is going to gain more than .7s on a 1:19 lap jumping 5 years of tire compounds + hot lap rubber?

    New tires are the single greatest marketing trick for exotic cars in probably the last 10-20 years, if not ever. The difference has proven to be staggering.

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  6. tekaefixe

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    I was inside the Pista and the interior is amazing but from the outside it looks heavy and GT not racy like the pista. It’s a very big car. The La Ferrari in front looked light, exotic and FAST!
    The rear of the SF90 is hideous.

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  7. Casino Square

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    That rear is truly...challenging! From the tiny tank like rear window to the unfortunate "face" that it presents....i'm not sure this will go down as Ferrari's finest hour.
     
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    The more I look at the SF90 the more I like it - I really think its great design for gray and blue colors
    It seems to be designed to play with color combos and roofs choices So options are endless
     
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  10. tekaefixe

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    Heavy heavy and totally GT.... I’m going to buy a damn Pista...just sexy!
     
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    Thank you but ..
    Honestly don't you think this front three quarter is just gorgeous ?

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BzldfXLIPiV/?hl=fr
     
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    #1738 WM458, Jul 6, 2019
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    Unbelievably bad design. The front looks like a destroyed combination of head lights, bumpers, hoods and pieces of plastics.
    The rear as an attempt to install something different than round lights w/o being Corvette style. Failed. Never seen such a mess of curves and angles,
    Is this the new design language of Maranello? Dreadful...
    Where is Pininfarina?
     
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    #1744 WM458, Jul 6, 2019
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    You can select any color. It doesn’t make things better.:)
    The 3/4 rear view seems to be thecartoon of a Ferrari.
    No, it even can’t be a Ferrari. It is something designed by students w/o any professional supervision.
    The part behind the doors must be double the high than the front.
    OMG.
    No surprise they can’t find the wheels during pitstops...
     
  15. Surfah

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    Fugly rear-end.

    Looks like there's poor rear visibility with that diminutive rear window, rear camera is a must.
     
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  16. tekaefixe

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    You can like whatever you want and I’m happy for you! Everyone is in this forum because of passione for this amazing brand!
    But.... this car doesn’t look like a racer, light, great on track. It looks like a mid engine 812.
    Fat and not really for the track, too heavy.
    Let’s do like this, forget the SF90 is a Ferrari, would you still like it the same way?!
    It’s a mess....hopping for a beautiful replacement in 5/6 years.
     
  17. ScrappyB

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    A lot of strong negative comments above regarding the styling. What I find most interesting is that none of the comments are prefaced with ‘I think’ or ‘In my opinion’ but rather stated as if they are indisputable facts.

    In my opinion, the rear end of the SF90 is both aggressive and futuristic. I like it. I need to see the front in person before making a declaration, er opinion.
     
  18. jpalmito

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    Exactly , it's a mid engine 812 with hybrid stuff .
    They never said this car was a track car.
    ok maybe I'm little biased because of the brand but I can live with that ..
    Emotion is what we are all looking for and to me modern Ferrari are just everything about this.
     
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  19. Lukeylikey

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    Why do people who dislike the looks have to keep repeating themselves? Almost seems like they are trying to persuade those who like the car they are wrong (or maybe themselves that they don’t need to buy it). But I know what I like. I saw it in the flesh at the launch and I liked it. That’s enough for me, I’m happy you don’t like it - I should get mine quicker. But please, don’t keep saying the same thing over and over.
     
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    Or maybe really trying to convince themselves that they don’t like it....
     

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