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Black waist stripe question

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  1. Andrew McCrae

    Andrew McCrae Formula Junior

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    I've only examined closely the black stripe on 3 cars. On each including mine it was a black tape. I'm sure every car left the factory painted but could I be wrong?
     
  2. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    They were all painted by the factory, in semi-matt black. No exception whatsoever.
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  3. vaccarella

    vaccarella Formula 3

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    I don't think black cars were painted with a semi-matt black stripe. That might be the exception ;)
     
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  4. Rosey

    Rosey F1 Rookie

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    No tape, always paint.
     
  5. nerofer

    nerofer F1 World Champ

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    Well, I think I know about that answer, guess how?
    More seriously, and to answer Andrew's question further: the stripe goes only in the vertical part of the groove, NOT on its "ceiling" nor on its "floor". It stops at right angle of the body, doors, etc: no "return" behind the "exterior" steel sheet.

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  6. CL308GTB

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    I have a Black 308 in original paint and can confirm Nerofer's affirmation.
     
  7. AZDoug

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    My 1979 car purchased in 1984 from original owner, never hit or painted until i repainted it a few years later, had black tape. original color was Chiaro Oro.

    I dunno what to say about the never tape claims.

    Doug
     
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  8. vaccarella

    vaccarella Formula 3

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    What year & how can you be certain it's on original paint?
     
  9. bertrand328

    bertrand328 Formula 3

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    My car was repainted by the previous owner and he put black tape on it. No one noticed this before I indicated it.
    I'm sure that there are "some" cars like that …...
     
  10. Ray F

    Ray F Karting

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    My 85 QV has the black tape, and - as it's just being painted to deal with rust and a few knocks - the painter has assured me the Rosso Corsa paint is mostly original (a few front end touch ups); that would lead one to assume that the black tape is also original.
     
  11. Rosey

    Rosey F1 Rookie

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    How could that be though.
    The process of masking off the waist of the car to paint the stripe in the factory is completely different to going around with black tape and just sticking it on.
    And why would they do that? Would the factory ever run out of semi gloss paint?

    Do the cars with tape have the tape run around the edges of the body panels or stop on the outer surface?
     
  12. AZDoug

    AZDoug Formula 3

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    I am not claiming anything other than what my car came with.

    I do know it is more time consuming to mask off the car, including the upper and lower shelf of the recess to paint, than to run semi gloss wide body stripe tape in the groove.

    I never paid attention as to whether the tape wrapped into the fender wells a bit, or not, that was 35 years ago. I only really noticed the tape, because some had come loose before i had the car repainted, and my recollection was it was Chiaro under the tape.

    Doug
     
  13. Smiles

    Smiles F1 World Champ
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    I think that this is fascinating.

    I’m not sure that it’s been discussed before.

    My ‘81 308 has been repainted, so I’m disqualified.

    Matt
     
  14. dinonz308

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    I don't know if mine has been repainted or not, but with about 11,000 miles I'm guessing not. I'll go look tomorrow to see if it's paint or tape.
     
  15. Gatorrari

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    I'm certain that part of my 328 was repainted after a front-corner crash long ago (not reported by Carfax, by the way) while much of the rest is original. The groove has black paint all the way.

    (It has always reminded me a bit of the Death Star trench in the first "Star Wars" movie!)
     
  16. Softtail11722

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    1977 308 gtb it is paint for sure in the side area and is rosso Rubino on my car paint was faded from calf. life but all redone correctly now and stripe is back and paint not tape
     
  17. nerofer

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    It has been discussed many times already, Matt. I'm not starting to argue here: the factory finish was always paint.
    Whenever you have the chance to look at a "time capsule" very closely, you can sometimes even see how the edges of the masking tapes are not always exactly parallel to the edges of the goove itself: the black line very often is not exactly straight at its edges in places.

    As said above, there should be no "return" on any edge of the metal sheets; said otherwise, only the part facing the exterior received the black paint, which stops right at the edge; it does not fold around the edge, and does not reverse behind.

    Exception, if my memory is right, is, on 328s at least, the front and rear bumper, which are glassfibre, and the body "grove" is formed in the upper part of the bumper itself. But the "ceiling" of the grove is the sheet metal of the front and rear fenders; on the bumpers, the glass fiber folds "towards the inside of the car" on the bumper's side, so the top of the groove forms a 2cm ledge to hang the bumper onto the fender. That part is not masked, but painted black also on its top, but of course you can't see it, unlees you unfasten the bumper.

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  18. Smiles

    Smiles F1 World Champ
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    Thanks.

    I had owned my 330 for a number of years and during that time probably didn’t pay attention to the 308 section.

    I inherited my father’s 308 three years and now I’m paying attention!

    Matt
     
  19. waymar

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    My original 308GTSi 1982 is paint.
     
  20. Andrew McCrae

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    I think painting is needed, Does anyone know the stripe colour? Is there a percent gloss? I've used a 25% gloss black on another car which gave a dull satin so I'm thinking 40% approximately.
     
  21. CL308GTB

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    It’s a black 308 GTB QV that left the factory around November 1984 (of which I have posted a lot of pics in another thread). I recently measured the thickeness of the paint with a detailer and had it checked by an expert for insurance purposes, both claimed that the car was in original paint. I also have a fairly extensive history for this car and had been in contact with all the previous owners who confirmed this point, (for what it’s worth). So, let’s say i’m 99% certain.

    But I can’t imagine that if someone had repainted this car, he would have applied paint here instead of tape (which would be much more logical from an economical and timing perspective if it was the original process...)
     
  22. Andrew McCrae

    Andrew McCrae Formula Junior

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    Has anyone Classiche? I wonder what they say.
     
  23. johnk...

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    Bought my 85 GTB QV new. Black paint for the belt line. It's sort of a semi-flat black. Not semi, not flat. Krylon industrial semi flat black 1613 is close.
     
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  24. Ferraridoc

    Ferraridoc F1 World Champ
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    Wow! This almost as good as an oil thread! FWIW, when I repainted my front spoiler, I think the painter used 50/50 satin/matte - looks OK to my (lousy) eyes
     
  25. Rossocorsa1

    Rossocorsa1 F1 Veteran

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    Assuming your question is related specifically to 308’s and 328’s, yes, they were all painted. That is not necessarily the case with other Ferrari’s, however.
     
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