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  1. BOKE

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    Ok bud! You win! Chizz out!!!!
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    anyone have a question for me PM me.
     
  4. paulchua

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    Really appreciate the info, I never knew about ceramics.
     
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    Hi Chizz, let me say I appreciate you bringing up ceramics. I never knew about their existence. So I learned something new. As far as the true pros and cons, I don’t know so I can’t chime in. Just watching to see how the debate goes.

    Let’s all tone it down a bit, we can all agree we want what’s best for our cars.

    ALL your cars look georgeous!
     
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    Okay let me throw this in the mix, I’ve read wraps damage paint when removed? True?
     
  7. ttforcefed

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    The wraps from 10+ yrs ago definitely, especially on single stage paint. the new ones on newer paint - havent heard of it. My f40 CS 512tr 355 diablo countach etc arent wrapped. My tdf was wrapped with ceramic on some panels and non wrapped panels had carnuba. My 612 430s etc are wrapped. My ff has some ppf and ceramic on entire car. My suvs are a mix if ceramic on paint and ceramic on colored wraps.



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  8. Caeruleus11

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    Unfortunately pulling a wrap off any paint job, new or old, carries a risk of pulling the paint off. I've seen wraps removed off newer cars where it pulls the paint. Most of the time this is on bumpers and rockers - which are the preferable panels to repaint if you had to make a choice to repaint something. So PPF is wonderful, but nothing is risk free. I would never wrap an older paint job (pre clear coat and with Ferrari Id probably say something around before the F430 era I'd leave it).

    As to the ceramic debate, all I know is I'm often wary when I hear X blows away Y. The truth is usually more complicated. Everything has pros and cons and its a matter for you to decide which line up best with your objectives. I tend to come down more on the side of ceramics vs carnauba because I like the pop it gives vs carnauba, but on the right paint job, I might go for carnauba.

    (OK I will make an exception to my statement and say Ferrari blows away everyone else- Forza Ferrari!! Lets go for a win tomorrow!)
     
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    there is no one ive spoken to more about cars in my life than this guy, including detailing. a bulk of what ive learned are from conversations we have had a bulk of my education regarding ceramics has come from him as well. while we have differences of opinion we both manage to maintain rather large collections and we are often have play dates with our toys and enjoy hanging! pretty sure he wld agree im not an *******.
     
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    You are not an ***** or anything else bad. We just tend to find what works for us. Bring on the play dates!
     
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  11. Way2fast

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    I purchased my 430 in December 2007. I had it clearbra before leaving dealer. I noticed later it had some air bubbles. A month later it went back to dealer for a new battery and to fix clearbra. I get a call from dealer that a palm size patch of paint was removed when taking off clearbra. I didn't see the car for 2 months while repaired. Turns out they didn't heat it up before removing

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    Thats pretty amateur but that was the wild west back then. I replaced the clear bra on my cgt in like 2015. The original bra that came off was literally yellow.


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    I had it replaced in Vegas 2 years ago

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    As I understand it a clear plastic layer doesn’t always prevent damage to a paint layer. Hit the plastic hard enough and the paint will crack underneath.

    BUT the plastic won’t migrate and lift the cracked paint so it looks fine. Lift off the plastic layer and it will certainly lift off the spots with cracked paint! Necessitating a repaint of the surface.

    But that ability to isolate cracked paint is one reason why it is so popular I suspect. Delays paying the piper as it were where as a bare paint surface will show a damage spot immediately.

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    I used to love waxing my cars and really miss it, but time constraints don’t really let me do that. And I like to drive my cars. Went with full wrap and ceramic just for ease of care in our 812. So easy and protects from nicks which happen a lot here. When our Portofino arrives it will get the same.

    Someday, I will wash, clay and wax again...


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    Thats terrible! Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, I can tell you for a fact, even if you have the worlds greatest installer/ remove/ most talented people following all the correct procedures, there is still a risk of paint removal. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
     
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    I'm a simple person. would any of these methodologies you mentioned provide sufficient protection so that ill be able to go to the petrol station at the corner and have my ferrari washed with the autowash?
     
  18. ttforcefed

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    Full ppf with ceramic is ur best shot but very protecting against car washes is a herculean task. That being said this is the route ive chosen for my daily driven suvs.


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    I can only offer my personal experience. The last two Nero F cars I had were completely wrapped with a paint correction done then a full wrap with a ceramic coating applied. My experience was great. No paint swirls and very easy to maintain. Does it look better ? Who gives a s**t ? I’m all about easy to maintain. Wipe it off no muss no fuss. Hell , I could run it through a car wash if I wanted too. Best ,Kirk.
     
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  20. Chizz

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    Get a “self healing” PPF like Suntek and do a full wrap. Literally park your car in the sun if you notice minor problems in the film and it “heals” it’s a beautiful thing
     
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    wow - sorry to hear that! :(

    Hope it got sorted.

    Have a great day
     
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    No problems after getting car back in 3/08. No problem when replaced after 10 yrs

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  23. Caeruleus11

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    My answer is no. There is no free lunch. Most of these setups end with some guys using the same grime laden towels to dry your car. This will scratch your finish/ film. PPF is softer than clear coat and actually easier to scratch. Yes, the new ones are often self healing, and that is nice, but if you're looking for "set it and forget it" ease, I suggest just leaving the factory clear coat and save your money.

    My daily cars get no PPF, no ceramic- and I try to limit car wash visits. They end up being dirty often but they are daily cars. I use the car wash because it's easy. My fun cars get PPF and a ceramic coating for ease of maintenance. Without it the PPF will really hold on to dirt and grime and is tricky to get really clean.
     
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  24. Chizz

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    Great answer!
     
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  25. XSpeed

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    Can I use the CarPro Reload also if the car is has nano coating?
     

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