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Will Ferrari take the Pista to the Nürburgring?

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  1. RoyalPink

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    I'm hoping they do. Nürburgring as of late has become the De facto standard of how a car is measured these days. Much like the 0-60 time has always been. Nowadays all of these manufacturers are purporting their cars are "track cars." The 488GTB had a 7:21 which isn't so hot. McLaren MP4-12C a 7:28 and the 650S a 7:35. Those numbers aren't so hot either. Lambo and Porsche have done a great job at the Ring as we all know. McLaren 720S is a no show on the ring as well. I'm hoping Ferrari steps up with the Pista and does it this time. There's a reason the 720S hasn't gone to the Ring. If it were truly that great, then McLaren would back it up. There's a good chance the Pista can be the new King of the Ring. For reference here are the top ten:

    6:44.97 - Lamborghini Aventador LP770-4 SVJ (2018)
    6:47.25 - Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991.2)
    6:48.28 - Radical SR8 LM
    6:52.01 - Lamborghini Huracán LP 640-4 Performante (2017)
    6:55 - Radical SR8
    6:56.4 - Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991.2)
    6:57 - Porsche 918 Spyder
    6:59.73 - Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce (2015)
    7:01.3 - Dodge Viper ACR (2017)
    7:04.632 - Mercedes-AMG GT R Pro
     
  2. crinoid

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    I’m sure they have unofficially
     
  3. REALZEUS

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    The Ring is just a German marketing trick. It's not even a meaningful metric, as the huge lap hinders timing reliability and repeat-ability, due to small driver errors that pile up on such a long lap. Not to mention the varying weather conditions on different parts of the track. Moreover, the set up needed is different (softer and higher) to the one needed on a normal circuit, so what works at the Ring doesn't work so well in normal tracks. Thus, it doesn't make sense to optimise a car for the Ring. Finally, Ferrari doesn't need the publicity that other manufacturers are trying to garner by publishing Ring times.
     
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  4. RoyalPink

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    Yes it is a marketing trick and one that seems to be working very well.
     
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    No one cares about ring times other than VW group.
     
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    Except for the fact it's becoming more pervasive.
     
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    Where is it becoming more pervasive?

    Ferrari doesnt care.
    Mclaren doesnt care.
    Aston doesnt care.
    Koennigsegg doesnt care.
    Pagani doesnt care.


    Lambo and porsche care - VW group.

    its a useless metric that no one gives a rats ass about. If Ferrari races the Pista on the ring great. But I for one am not sitting there waiting for ring times for the Pista to determine if the car is something I should buy or not.
     
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    It's becoming more pervasive because of motoring journalists, social influencers and certain manufacturers using it as bragging rights. I will agree it is marketing - but marketing sells cars. McLaren P1 and the Pagani Zonda both have times at the Ring in the non-series/non-road-legal vehicles class. Aston Martin has the AMR Nürburgring Performance Centre adjacent to the Ring as well as a lot of other manufacturers. So obviously someone does give a rats ass other than you.
     
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    Which motoring journalists- do they even matter?
    Social influencers- do they matter? Do I care what Schmee has to say?
    Certain manufacturers- yes- like I’ve said repeatedly VW group.
     
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    I don’t think Ferrari care and to be honest most Ferrari buyers are not into penus measuring antics like Ring lap times and drag strip dashes when making purchasing decisions. If I want a car for lap times I’ll buy a 488 Challenge car. Simple
     
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    Okay, so motoring journalists and social influencers don't matter. I'm starting to think that thanks to you I'm learning something.
     
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    Actually I don’t think you are but that’s ok if you think that people like Schmee matter.
     
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    Not a single Ferrari was sold because it had a good or bad ring time. It’s a useless metric. If someone does it great but Ferrari won’t waste its time.
     
  14. RoyalPink

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    I believe he does matter to Ferrari. He's certainly invited and given access to their vehicles and special events above many others. He must also matter to you in some sort of capacity as well because you are the only one to have brought him up several times not me.
     
  15. SoCal to az

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    So someone buying a 300k Ferrari f8 or a 450k Pista or a 600k Stradale is going to base their decision on a social media influencer.

    Got it.
     
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    I think it’s just cool to see cars do the Ring, with a lot of respect now having done a lap myself. It is a great test for a car, massive elevation and speed changes, length, etc. I would argue a religious holy ground even, if you are any sort of petrolhead

    That being said I highly doubt Maranello would ever play ball, never been their style and they have Fiorano. You go to them, not the other way around


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    Good lord what a PITA.
     
  18. I doubt Ferrari will.

    But I would like to see someone run the Pista on the 'Ring. Just to see what kind of lap time the last non-hybird V8 Ferrari can do.
     
  19. RoyalPink

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    Never said any of that. Your words and interpretation. In which you are free to do of course.
     
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    people do care about it and regardless of whether they even drive them on track some like to brag about owning the fastest ring car.
     
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    This one being'run in' .Pista must be awesome around there.

     
  22. LVP488

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    The ring is so long (about 20 km) there are many opportunities to lose time, resulting in inconsistent lap times unless someone is actually spending a lot of time to set a record lap.
    I think it's far more telling to look at times on shorter tracks achieved by the same drivers in more or less similar conditions.
     
  23. Coincid

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    I only pay attention to track times when my car does well. Then it is a true indicator of speed, handling ability, grip and every other factor you wish to mention. And I feel better in the choice I made.

    On the other hand, if the car I own does poorly on that track , it is a meaningless endeavour that proves nothing. There are simply too many variables like was the driver fully sober, constipated, in a bad mood due to his wife discovering his mistress. The weather was humid or excessively dry or too cold or perhaps very warm. Tires.were under or over inflated

    Most importantly I do not purchase a car based on track times. There is so much more to a car than how fast it completes the circuit around a track. Options like Apple Play or Homelink and a very high resolution back up camera are certainly more meaningful to the super car ownership experience.
     
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    I only bought the pista and the sf based on what social media influencers like dumbass brothers, Jake the snake Paul and ****mee say .... don’t you all?
     
  25. kingjr9000

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    Sport auto did have a hint or something similar in one of their mags with the pista on the Nurburgring. Whether it is what we hope it is or something else, is another matter.
     

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