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  1. absostone

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    #51 absostone, Aug 5, 2019
    It was from where it was set originally . Not from 3 turns out. I was just playing around. Found it odd. I’m still learning the carbs.
     
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    #52 absostone, Aug 5, 2019
    So I’m thinking to check the type of mixture screws I have ,,,stepped / tapered. And maybe float height?
    Just throwing ideas out
     
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    #53 Saabguy, Aug 6, 2019
    With Webers if you change the mixture screw and the idle speed doesn't change (Up or down) you are likely running on the "run" circuit and not the "idle" circuit. That would also explain why you have so much air going in.

    Have you started from scratch where you VERIFY with a flashlight that the butterflys are actually ALL the way closed?

     
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    #54 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    Looks like They are closed. So your saying it’s running on the mains?
     
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    #55 Saabguy, Aug 6, 2019
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    Yeah basically, that explains some of your symptoms. "Looks like" isn't the same as "are closed". The purist in me says that you need to take the carbs off, back off all the screw and shine a light from underneath to verify that the butterflies are closed, this may not be practical though.

    Back off ALL of the idle speed screws so that they aren't touching, engine should NOT be able to idle at all, if it is idling then you likely have a linkage adjustment problem. Then start with the 2 or 3 turns just to get it to idle then go through the process of mixture adjustment. Granted my knowledge is Weber based NOT Ferrari Weber based, but I am certain that they still have Idle, run, and WOT circuits.
     
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    #56 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
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    I’m gonna recheck in s little while. And yes I was gonna try turning them in to see if it choked it. I meant the mixture screws
     
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    #57 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    Maybe the butterflies are dragging on the bores
     
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    #58 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    How would it idle without the stop screws?
     
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    #60 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    These carbs look like they are 20 yrs old rebuild. They have about 1k miles if that
     
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    #61 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    From what I know the idle jets are in play till around 3k
     
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    #62 Saabguy, Aug 6, 2019
    It should ONLY idle that way IF there is tension in the linkages or the throttle cable. If it doesn't idle then you have eliminated one concern.

    After you have confirmed that then you turn in the idle speed screws until it will idle then the mixture screws until it idles well, make sure that there is no connection of one carb to the next. Get the engine idling well and THEN connect all the carbs to each other

    That said, I reread the entire thread and you started with ignition concerns, are those gone now?

     
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    #63 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    Yes it’s around 7-9 deg advance at 1k
     
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    #64 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    I set the idle the Birdman way. Brought it down to 1k from 1500. Then set the idle stops. I just turned out the screws. And it was nerve racking idling that low. Pretty sure both idle screws were as loose as good be. It still idled barely. Throttle cable still had plat btw
     
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    #65 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    When individual mix screws are turned in all the way the idle does drop. Barely
     
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    #66 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    So is it really possible that every butterfly is slightly open and allowing it to suck air at idle? A pro shop built these. Unreal
     
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    #68 Saabguy, Aug 6, 2019
    Yup, the idle circuit. Find the other diagram with the run or partial throttle circuit.

     
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    #69 Saabguy, Aug 6, 2019
    If ALL the idle screws are TURNED IN ALL THE WAY it should not idle at all. There would be no fuel going in to the engine unless you are idling on the run circuit or some other source of fuel.

     
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    #70 Saabguy, Aug 6, 2019
    It is more likely that the rebuilder put things back together incorrectly and that is keeping the throttle plates from closing OR there is a screw somewhere that is keeping them open by design that you are missing.

     
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    #71 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    Yea but every carb? Bent shafts? I’ll try everything in.
     
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    #73 absostone, Aug 6, 2019
    Man if these carbs gotta come off I’m gonna flip out something evil!!! This is bs
     
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    #75 absostone, Aug 7, 2019
    I believe there are only to circuits. Low and high. Idle and main. Am gonna try that next. Thx
     
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