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How long is it ok to stay revved?

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  1. rquad

    rquad Karting

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    New 360 owner here. Most of my experience is with classic American cars. I was very surprised to see the 360 turns 3000 RPMs at 70 MPH. I drove about 250 miles home after buying the car, and I tried to keep it under 3000 RPMs because my mindset has always been not to run a car at high RPM for a long time. But, that keeps the speed down to 60 - 65, which is painfully slow in any car, but especially a Ferrari.

    What's the story on 360's and RPMs? Is turning 3000 or more for an extended period of time bad for the car?
     
  2. mike32

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    No point in buying one of these if you are scared of blowing the engine, they are designed to rev all day at a lot more than 3000.
    On a separate point an industrial diesel generator will run all day at 3600 rpm for 60 Hz supply-day in, day out. A ferrari engine is a lot higher spec so go and enjoy it.
     
  3. imahorse

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    It's designed to be a high revving engine. It felt kind of weird at first coming from giant pushrod engines that pretty much idle on the highway.
     
  4. vrsurgeon

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    It's NOT an American V8. It's designed from the onset to be a higher revving engine.
     
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  5. KC360 FL

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    It's the way the engine was designed to run. At 3000 RPM you barely have it breathing heavy. I run mine at 4000 to 4500 and cruise all day long. IIRC, Enzo once said; At Ferrari we build engines and happen to include a body and car around it.

    It's a different animal than my cars with American "tuned" V8's. With the valve exhaust of the Ferrari, most guys are not expecting it to be sounding so docile at idle-- expecting it to sound like a Corvette or Mustang V8 upon a slight throttle blip. But the Ferrari doesn't come alive until higher, much higher RPMS.
     
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  6. rquad

    rquad Karting

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    Ha! You are exactly right about the idle sound - I was very surprised at how quiet it was (stock exhaust headers). Probably too many YouTube videos of hopped up cars with Tubi exhausts set my expectations wrong. But, that's fine. I have a Nova with an LS2 and 3" exhaust that makes plenty of sound down low. Two different beasts, like male and female - one isn't necessarily better than the other, just different.

    ...and thanks for all the replies about driving with higher RPMs. I'll just have to get used to it. It is very different from my prior experience.
     
  7. KC360 FL

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    My main concern is that I have the engine up to operating temps before trouncing it. But once warmed up, that sound at 7500-8000 RPMs mimics a Formula One car! Intoxicating:D
     
  8. flash32

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    Exactly .. make sure oil temp is at 170 or above before pushing any engine

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  9. f355spider

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    If you aren't running the engine to 8,000 rpm regularly, you are truly missing out on the amazing experience of owning a Ferrari
     
  10. rquad

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    I wasn't worried about running up the dial - I've done that (after proper warm-up). My main concern was keeping the RPMs high for an extended period of time - like an hour or two straight. From the input so far, it looks like that's not an issue.
     
  11. KC360 FL

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    It's not. I've done it. Took a road trip last month. And hour and a half of straight driving at 90MPH.
    Enjoy it bro. The engine is an amazing feat of engineering and incredibly reliable and stout when properly maintained.;)
     
  12. 360+Volt=Prius

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    I guess the big question is cruising at 3000-4000 rpm spins the engine 2x as much as 1500-2000 rpm engine. So logic says wear related to moving parts should be 2x more in a ferrari. Has ferrari figured out how to have less wear per rpm than other lower revving brands?


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  13. one4torque

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    It's balanced for high rpm operation... unlike the typical domestic small block v8. Enjoy
     
  14. 360+Volt=Prius

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    Sure, I get that balancing would reduce vibration and allow higher revs. But would balancing offset degradation due to friction?


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  15. SCKOMS

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    No worries. I've driven my 430 from Chicago to Naples twice, stopping only for gas and averaging around 80 mph

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  16. Dewinator

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    A bigger worry should be lugging the engine at high throttle settings at low rpms.

    Cruising in 6th, the cops will become a worry long before your rpms will.
     
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  17. bellwilliam

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    car idles at ~1k rpm. redline at ~8.5k rpm. so you have a range of 7.5k rpm.
    at 3k rpm, you are using 2k of 7.5k range.... it is barely working....
     
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  18. raywong

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    I remember on one driving event around 10 years ago in mainland China. There were 30-40 cars including some lp560, lp640, 430, GT3, GT4, GTR R34... and I had a E92M3. We had average speed of 240kph, occasionally peak at 300kph. The guy with the 360SC had to drive near the redline to keep up. We did that for 4-5 hours, only stop to refuel every 45 minutes. He was really worry about his engine but there were no problem at the end.
     
  19. hessank

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    After you start it from cold do not rev the engine beyond 3K rpm until the oil temp gauge comes off the left peg. That has been a rule that I read here a long time ago.
    I live by it. After the oil starts heating up, then give it to her and enjoy the sound.
     
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  20. Zed82

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    As long as you get it properly warmed up and change the oil frequently (~5k miles) there’s is nothing to worry about. I did an oil analysis on mine and there was no abnormal wear despite driving hard regularly.
     
  21. APA#1

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    A boat engine is designed to run at 80% of wide open throttle ALL DAY long.
     
  22. whatheheck

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    No worries at all just like everyone said. Just ensure the engine is fully warmed up before you push her hard.

    I had a 360 spider now an F430 Spider. I shift at redline 90% of the time, I push the car hard all the time and I cruise at high RPM most of the time as this is where the engine loves to sing.

    Let her proudly sing!

    Dan

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  23. flash32

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    Just to add to my post above .. modulating rpm in long hauls is a little better than staying at one rpm in general

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  24. Themaven

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    The OP asks about running at 3000 rpm, which as we have pointed out is low for a Ferrari flat plane crank V8. But, my F512M owners manual has a specific warning about not running the engine above 5000 rpm for an extended period. This is the final version of the 180 degree/flat 12 Ferrari engine with lightweight components, and the fact that the manufacturer chose to post a warning says to me revving at a constant high (although much higher than 3000) rpm is not recommended. I had a high tech Euro sports car which I bought new that snapped a con rod after I spent a year pasting it down the autobahn at 4000 plus rpm daily. There’s a big difference between a couple of high speed runs and constant high revs over a year or two.

    But 3000 rpm in any Ferrari, is barely getting going.
     
  25. flash32

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    Was that note just for break in period ?

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