GPF is in Pista

Cue the hundreds of "they ruined the car" posts in 3.....2........1

 

That’s a good joke !
Really funny

 

Well, I am currently standing underneath a newly delivered pista which has had its tray dropped to deal with an overhanging aircon outlet pipe. And it has no GPF which the service manager confirms. What am I missing (other than the GPF)?

 

As the saying goes, "This thread is worthless without photos."

 

this time his information is totally wrong

 

If pista truly have GPF, I will laugh at my earlier pearl-clutching consternation

 

Any bookmakers around?
Will / does Pista have GPF? (my guess: no)
Will an F8 VS exist? (my guess: yes)
Will Ferrari win the 2020 F1 championship? (my guess: no - OK this one was easy...)
and so on...

 

+1000 - two indepedant dealers on two continents have stated "no GPF" in Pista

 

April fools is April 1..just about half a year out ...

really, struggle to know if there?

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it would be rather trivial to see if GPFs are present or not...so, I think that sort of angle can be use to deconstruct the rest of your reliable source's disinformation...

 

And, if PIsta's currently had GPF I'm sure this would reflect the availability of product to help increase performance by removing GPF and the necessary ECU reprogramming kits...

https://www.novitecgroup.com/rosso/en/488pista/katalog.php

none found, looked through the entire catalog...

not sure what the idea is here to spread this sort of misinformation, but, maybe you could find out ?

 

So are we back to no GPF in Pista?

 

I also searched here

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/488-pista-europe/all-pages/emissions-control-system-60994

and here

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/ferrari/488-pista-europe/all-pages/exhaust-system-front-section-60995

cannot find any indication of GPF devices, maybe you could point us to the correct page on that website?

This may help, DPF listed here for a Ghibli:

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/parts/maserati/ghibli-v6-3-0-2014-250bhp/all/pre-catalytic-converters-and-catalytic-converters-51709/670004508

let us know what you find, thank you

 

My understanding is no GPF in Pista. Thats partly why the Pista production will be less than some think and partly why we have an F8 (all will have GPF).

 

Which begs the question about all the Pista spiders plus any coupes being delivered in 2020 to those regions impacted. I am in Europe and mine isn't due until Q2 2020. Ferrari will need to pull the rabbit out of the hat and get a derogation to continue with non-GPF Pistas in 2020. Interesting times.

 

I really like your investigative process. When the F8 comes out could you confirm whether there is 2 exhaust systems for the F8.

 

Thank you, I think critical thinking is a skill all should pursue at all times

On that front, the F8 that was recently previewed by the local dealer was confirmed to have GPF devices. I had shared details of the GPF with their service director in March (until then he was not aware of them being used by Ferrari) and he has been on the lookout for any details and when that F8 arrived that's the first thing he reviewed and he confirmed they were present.

Given that recent confirmation, I would presume all F8s will include GPF (and my presumption for low-quality fuel countries Ferrari will simply deal with warranty issues at that time, perhaps they will develop some sort of update that allows removal of the GPF in selected countries..just a guess, depends on how many warranty cases occur resulting from low quality fuels -- typically the result of high sulphur content).

map of gasoline sulphur-content by country:

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Is it possible that your car will be built in 2019- but delivery may take time which pushes the delivery into q2? Just taking a wild ass guess.

 

Can this GPF be easily removed in the F8 and if removed will it make any difference?

 

From what I understand, they are not easily removed, as they are a fairly complex in their connection to the engine and ECU. I'm sure the ECU is not a big deal, but the removal itself is from what I gather, a lot more involved than say just a cat bypass.

As for added power? Well look at it this way. If the engine in the F8 is in fact the same as in the Pista, and the Porsche GT3RS models now delivered with GPF have unchanged power and performance numbers, well then it stands to reason that removing the GPF will yield no significant gains.

Until someone has done some unbiased back to back dyno pulls, it's all speculation as to how much it will affect power output.

 

a good primer:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/emissions-regulations-gpf-challenges-petrol-vehicles-javier-nadal

Unless Ferrari provides a method for removal+replacement, any 3rd party solution (if one ever exists) will require reprogramming the car's computers and will void some portion of of the car's warranty. Removal (and replacing with 'straight pipes' or other 'gpf delete' device) without reprogramming the car's computers will definitely result in engine failure and 'limp mode'. Not recommended.

 

Unless it's a crazy build, a car that is put on the line in 2019, should roll off in Q1. Once it's on the line, things move pretty quick. As for post production delivery times? Seems to me they are all over the place, especially with the overseas cars as they apparantly are held up for prolonged periods of time occassionally.

 

Have to love the environmentalists

 

Not really speculation...

First of all I am certain the F8 power was increased but to simply overcome the disadvantage of the GPF devices (one per exhaust channel).

As an example of 'not really speculation':

http://www.driversmagazine.com/bmw-will-retain-bigger-v12-engine-till-2023-thanks-upsurge-demand/

excerpt:
Chinese buyers who can afford to buy 7-Series model is more than willing to pay supercar price for M760Li and are not content with lesser variant. This has led to maximum capacity building of these engines. However, M760Li won’t be the most power BMW in the range. It is due to addition of particulate filters necessary according to latest emissions rule. The engine now offers 577hp and instead of 602hp.
...BMW didn't try to improve HP, it just let the GPF do its damage, 4% + power loss!