I do like many things about the F8. I appreciate the styling and i know it will be significantly faster than my 458 spider For now I have no plans to sell the 458. So the purchase will be an addition and not substitution. I also realize that as one reviewer put it, this is the new reality. The car will be much quieter. Compared to my friends Tesla, it will sound sporty. I’m hoping that in the future Ferrari will adopt an electrical driven turbo which will open up the exhaust and restore some of the music which has been lost. But I’ve grudgingly accepted the fact that the F8 won’t sound the way I want.
f8 is such a good price imo base spec f8 is £200k cheaper than a spec'd aftermarket pista it's a no brainer
Will confirm and come back soon but it seems by what he was saying it must - either that or there is a dummy GPF which still necessitates the pressure sensor post turbo. Eitherway it doesn't sound as loud or good as 488 or Pista, that's pretty clear, but inside it's ok with all the new piped in sound. Outside it's lamer for sure. Yes the new cars inc F8 will be compared to Tesla from now on until all the sound is gone and just the whine of an electric motor remains to keep you company. Sad days ahead with only the piped in sound to fool you into thinking it sounds the same on the outside when in reality it sounds like a lame ***** cat with a sexy body (well kinda depending upon who you're talking to) and an F car badge on the hood.
Front lift has nothing to do with the lowering. 1" lower with or without lift. It will make the lift more important since the car will sit 1" lower.
Is there a technical problem with electric turbos? It does seem like a perfect solution to a non technical guy like me. I guess it would require a better alternator... Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
So what matters the most? How it sounds inside, when you drive it, or how it sounds to bystanders? There are new sound limits, so it is expected to be a bit quieter from the outside, but what really matters is what you hear inside, right? Unless one has some unresolved ostentation issues... BTW I like the sound at 6:35. Not as good as a N/A V8, let alone a V12, but nice for a turbocharged engine:
Are glowing?! Actually they dont praise the car that much, I remember seeing 458/speciale reviews were people were sooooo happy to drive them and this one is like, Oh its fast and that's it. But all good its not Ferrari's fault, its just how they can make cars nowadays. It will only get worse...
the pista had quite a bit of criticism too really, "undrivable with the electronics off" etc it's interesting to see the hatered the general public have towards the 488 vs the 458, most of the top comments on the youtube reviews are people saying "i'd rather have a 458 than the f8" no one was saying similiar things from the 360 to 430 or 430 to 458 though I personally think the f8 is more desirable than the pista as a general road car and value for money
In Europe what the actual market is saying is: a new F8 is the same price as a medium mileage Speciale (you need a virtually new Speciale to exceed the price of a new F8) a 458 Italia can be had for half that price a used 488 is from 20% to 30% less than a new F8 a Pista could be up to 60% more than a F8 - although here it's difficult to have a notion of actual (not asked) prices. Apart from the new situation of having the mix of the 488 , Pista and F8, the market is actually aligned with previous situations of some people claiming to prefer the VS of the previous generation to the current regular model: the real debate is now between Speciale and F8, like it was before between CS and F430, and later between Scuderia and 458 (I remember that very well because my own opinion of the new model being each time significantly superior was always passionately challenged by others). The unusual 488/Pista/F8 story leaves us, for the time being, with an undervalued 488 (which people should acknowledge as a bargain) and an overvalued Pista but we don't have much past reference to judge what will happen later to these.
I’m no expert on the subject but I’ve heard to make electric turbos a reality means a beefier heavier alternator, an electrical motor, and bigger and heavier battery. The system Would add weight and parasitic loss, so there is a penalty.
I remember when the 430 came out and people did say they would rather have a 360- the new car was not as good looking, not as direct driving... And it goes on every time. In time you will see they have done their homework and the special model will have things about it that keep it valued by those who understand it. And it does seem they addressed the shortcomings of the 488 with the F8. It looks like it will be a very successful model. You really can't compare eras, we are in a new era where sound will be reduced. Its a real loss and a shame, but it is where we are.
Every new Ferrari has "glowing" reviews. The real question is what does the new F8 bring to the table over the 488. Certainly it brings style. This is the best looking version since the 458 intro, which was quite shocking after the F430 ended production. I still think the Scud and 16m are really attractive cars. Its hard to continuously play "can you top this"
If the F8 sounds better inside the car versus outside, why do we really care? (Not saying I don't care, just want to get others thoughts)
I care how the I perceive the sound when I am inside the car. Have no interest what those on the street think.
I suggest you reread or listen to those reviews again. The praise extended well beyond the obvious speed.
Here is the F8 at Fiorano. You can judge for yourself about the engine music and level of aural excitement Compare it with the 458 at Fiorano
Because tunnels. Other than that, there isn’t much of an argument unless you buy these things solely for attention. With that being said, there is something about the mystique of Ferrari that is attributed directly to the noise it makes from the outside. I wouldn’t have fallen in love with Ferrari as a child if they didn’t make such cool sounds whenever I saw them on the road. If the cars back then sounded like the vacuum cleaners they’re producing today, I probably wouldn’t frequent this forum the way I do today. The loss of sound is detrimental to the “soul” and there is no way around this fact. We should just be thankful that they are working on ways to improve the experience from inside the cockpit, even if lawmakers continue to ruin the fun from the outside. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Here is a short clip of the 360 CS I owned a regular 360 but with the CS exhaust so I got 9/10 of the sound. I had that car 7 years and logged about 70,000 miles. Still love the sound of that 5 valve machine
I can't remember if I posted these last week, I got to see the demo here in LV. Image Unavailable, Please Login I love the looks, the nose is much better than the base 488 and the rear view is a lot more dynamic. Image Unavailable, Please Login The outlet takes up a lot of the frunk space compared to the 458, I've never looked in 488 one. Interior is mildly updated but feels similar to 488 and familiar to 458. The demo is totally loaded with CF and had the whole CF interior in matte which was very sharp. Also the whole engine bay. Image Unavailable, Please Login I liked the steering wheel better in person it is almost reminiscent of a thinner 930 wheel, although I still love the thick 458 wheel. Image Unavailable, Please Login My favorite Ferrari of all time is the 288, and this is probably as close to a modern 288 as I will see in my lifetime, so I would like to order one and spec it as a dream car to keep forever. But the tough mental hurdle is the additional cost over the 458 and depreciation. I go back and forth between the urge to retire as soon as possible so I should save save save and then buying the cars I want which pushes that back indefinitely. FWIW they didn't say that the order books were closing any time soon. I'll see how things play out over the next two years.
part of the allure for me is the sound, especially for a Ferrari Doesn't need to be the high pitched F1 style sound, but there has to be some sort of emotive sound that makes me turn my neck when an Fcar drives by or driving the car itself. It stands out from everything else on the road, same for a Lamborghini from just hearing/seeing them drive by. I really enjoy the 488 sound, especially at low revs which is most of my driving around town with the deep baritone rolling thunder sound inside and out. Makes me happy that the 458 came before the 488 did, as the 458 likely set such a high benchmark that Ferrari really was focused on tuning the best sound they could for the 488 as different as the sounds are That's why I'm curious to see if there is any discernible difference in sound between F8 vs 488, or if they've done more tuning to reach the same result. Will be hard to tell from a video is my guess. Thinking for the future if all new Ferraris are going to have GPF fitted moving forward. Interesting to hear about the development of the hot tube solution to combat PF exhaust sound dampening
