UK dealers have been given a list of ‘first customers’ for the GTS. Dealers require a £35k deposit by next Wednesday 18th September to secure those first cars. Criteria for these first cars is at least 812 ownership/order along with Portofino or Lusso. Dealer demonstrators mid 2020, first RHD customer cars end of 2020 early 2021. I’m in.
Also in on 812 GTS. Just confirmed my SF90 yesterday as well! Excited for everything Ferrari ATM, no better brand!
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Very interesting Thanks a lot. Just one question , Because of all those future regulations, do you think it is plausible they will replace V12 front engine range with a V12 rear mid engine range ?
I have also put in an order for an 812 GTS yesterday but I currently „only“ own a GTC4Lusso ;as well as an F12 but have no order pending for an 812SF. My dealer at Gohm in Germany told me it is certainly good that I currently own these two V12‘d ( had for a couple of months also an FF before the GTC4Lusso arrived) but it will be up to Ferrari to decide if it will be sufficient to get an effective 812 GTS allocation. What do you guys think in terms of allocation probability? Thanks!
I am trying to get on the list and should know soon. I currently have a '17 Cali T SH and just sold a '15 458 Speciale. I also have an 812 on order for October/ November delivery. What are my chances?
My concern is the future sound/noise regulations with new testing procedure that must be tested using the loudest exhaust settings (so hybrid/ev mode do not apply, closed/vs/open exhaust values must always test with open exhaust valves so maximum noise is tested) are what is going to reduce the aural driving enjoyment. Interestingly, GPF helps reduce exhaust noise levels so Ferrari does not have any incentive from a regulatory standpoint to make the car (any they make) louder. "Hot Tubes" such as that in the F8 (and in use with many other manufacturers) where engine noise is piped into the cabin because the exterior exhaust sound levels are dramatically reduced will become prevalent in all exotics over the next few years, at least those sold in EU and due to homologation expenses for various exhausts it is quite unlikely a smaller company such as Ferrari will make different exhausts. That said, placement of engine in the chassis will not matter so moving the V12 behind the passenger compartment is not going to help solve any regulatory requirements in any way I can conceive of. I think it may be where there are no more V12s in regular production. Know this, the new sound regulations are ever tightening: Image Unavailable, Please Login And interestingly, the 812 with its 588 kW engine (800PS, 789bhp), at 6.5L is actually subject to the lowest sound requirement! 588/6.5 = 90.46kW/l, so the "<= 120kW/l" setting above applies! Versus the F8 with its 529 kW engine (710bhp) at 3.9L (529/3.9 = 135kW/l) is subject to the higher level (<= 160kW/l), how does that make any sense? So, the F8 can be louder than the 812 based on the above table! So Ferrari needs a high horsepower low engine displacement to dial into the sweet spot greater than 160kW/l, for instance, 800 PS engine using 3.6L displacement. All that said, a small V12 block, rear-mid-engine, making 800PS is unlikely, but, with combined output with a hybrid system then it could happen. But Leiters has already said no to hybrid, downsizing and turbocharging, so, a larger block V12 would seem to be only option (besides staying same size) but is subject to quietest noise regulations and, well, I doubt the V12 will continue as they would have to make it small. But, if they did decide to make a 3.6L V12 it would have to be rear-mid-engine because that is the only way electric motors can fit up front to drive the front wheels, no room for that plus an engine up front and they would need to do that to get more power because a 3.6L V12 with all the tricks, naturally aspirated probably could only make 450-500hp at the most. Tough decisions to be made, lots of forcing from EU regulations suffocating
Interesting, are you working with MAG in Dublin OH? Did you happen to order your 812 this past April? Give them a call, but know this, MAG does not receive a lot of allocations so they are going to reserve those for their top clients, that is my presumption. Best to give them a call and get on the list now...
I’m actually in FL most of the year and deal with Ferrari in FL. My sales guy is actually at the plant this week and we are touching base next weekend. I have updated my location. Thx. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Thanks again , very instructive. We can only hope they will find a way ( technically) to let the glorious V12 in the regular range.
Agreed, but, appears completely impossible, at least on the exterior of the car (another reason the 812GTS has to be now, and quite possibly too late already because the exhaust sounds will be quiet per EU regulations As a comparison: https://www.counterspacegarage.com/blog/publications/these-stock-cars-fail-laguna-seca-sound-limit/ excerpt: During the majority of track days held at Laguna Seca, cars whose noise levels are measured to be over the 90dB threshold get a mechanical flag for a sound violation. and: Many sports cars sold in the US market are already too loud for Laguna's sound limit in stock form. For example, all of the following models in showroom trim are known to get flagged at Laguna Seca for being too loud: Ferrari 458 Ferrari F430 Audi R8 Lamborghini Huracan so, note, the limit for 2020 for the 812 is 70db, using the new testing procedure which does take a blend of constant speed plus wide open throttle to achieve its rating, all cars no matter what (at least made for EU) will become more and more quiet as these 'noise regulations' are implemented... see page 10 here for some details of how sound tests determine sound level: https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/doc/2010/wp29grb/ECE-TRANS-WP29-GRB-52-inf07e.pdf
I’ll be keeping my 16M...guessing it to be around 200db! Maybe that’s why my tinnitus is getting so bad...worth.
While it’s true many of Laguna’s days are under a restricted limit, there are opportunities. One is coming up I will be attending with the 812 that is 103db. All is not lost
what a buzzkill. I can even try to force myself to understand the need for GPF as an emissions/environmental thing, but sound??? cmon Apparently regs are making EVs has some noise too, for safety purposes, FFS... can't wait for when all cars have to be 40.73db, or else....
40 would be average decibel for inside a home with background noises, a/c, frig, etc... here's short list Average decibels (dB) Leaves rustling, soft music, whisper 30 Average home noise 40 Normal conversation, background music 60 Office noise, inside car at 60 mph 70 <=== 2020 regulation for 812 ! averaged, not max, car can be louder at max volume but, must average out at 70dB! that's thru July 2022 and then it gets even quieter! 'active noise cancellation' (ANC) will likely be required at that point Vacuum cleaner, average radio 75 Heavy traffic, window air conditioner, noisy restaurant, power lawn mower 80–89 (sounds above 85 dB are harmful) Subway, shouted conversation 90–95 Boom box, ATV, motorcycle 96–100 School dance 101–105
Can anyone confirm the exterior and interior colors of the 812 Spider featured in the official video? To my eye the exterior is the new launch Grigio GTS and the interior is ciocolatto with contrasting stitching maybe silver? Anyone know if the central tunnel was in Nero or ciocolatto? And if there was an accent color line? The seat trim looks to be standard full electric. Dash and carpets are Nero.
Apologies if this has already been posted... https://jalopnik.com/the-governments-of-the-world-are-out-to-get-ferraris-v1-1838095497