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550 Clutch Feel - Heavy?

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  1. sgtpeper

    sgtpeper Formula Junior

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    HI All,

    I drove my first 550 today. I really enjoyed it but was surprised at how heavy the clutch was for such a modern car. Is this normal or could the hydraulics be on their way out? I had to put my weight into it to depress the clutch.

    Thanks for any responses!

    Regards,
     
  2. F456M

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    It is indeed heavy. But the 550 is a car for strong men. I lubricated the throw-out bearing shaft on the clutch and it was slightly better. You can access it through a hole in the clutch housing under the car. Should be done every year.


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  3. sgtpeper

    sgtpeper Formula Junior

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    Interesting. In traffic it was horrid. It felt about as heavy as my 911 Turbo felt before realizing the clutch accumulator on the slave cylinder was bad.
     
  4. Bluebottle

    Bluebottle F1 Veteran
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    I have never thought of the clutch on my 550 as being heavy. I think that car may have a problem.
     
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  5. haroonok

    haroonok Formula 3

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    My 550 clutch is lighter than my 993’s
     
  6. sgtpeper

    sgtpeper Formula Junior

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    So most likely an issue with the hydraulics? I mean this was HEAVY.
     
  7. F456M

    F456M F1 Rookie

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    The clutch is not power assisted. It is hydraulic. But If you have a leak, it would not work. Can’t be many things wrong. But the lubrication can only dry out because of the heat. The engine oil will not lubricate the clutch and the hydraulic oil is only to push it out to disengage the clutch.
     
  8. wbklink

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    #8 wbklink, Sep 21, 2019
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    Mine was heavy when I bought the car new clutch fixed everything :)

    That was 67k miles ago :) and it's still fine ......
     
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  9. AVIMAX

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    My clutch was not to heavy when I got my 550, very drivable in stop and go traffic. Last month I put in a new clutch (disc and pressure plate) not because the clutch was worn out, but the release bearing was worn and since everything was apart it seemed like a good idea. With the new release bearing, disc and pressure plate, I was surprised how much lighter the clutch felt, almost as light as a Honda.
     
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  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    As the clutch wears on a late 3 pedal V12, the geometry changes and the clutch pedal effort gets higher. A good tech can look at your clutch through the access port and tell you how badly it is worn. Actually done by looking at the throw-out bearing pin.
     
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  11. JimEakin

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    My 550 clutch is much heavier than the clutch on my C5 Corvette. 20,000 miles on the 550 when I bought it.
     
  12. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I have a lot of clutch experience sometimes replacing them annually in my racecar. I have had 2 550's one with heavy and one with light clutch. Sometimes non-oem parts make for heavy feel. Sometimes it is just the muck that adds to the friction over years of minimal use. While opening everything up and cleaning it out can do wonders to lighten the feel by the time you do all that work you are going to put a new clutch plate in there. And Taz is right, feel also changes as things wear. So often when you put a new clutch in the feel improves greatly. The system is quite simple and it is hard to screw up.
     
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  13. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    The clutch in a 550 is not heavy at all in fact its quite nice.

    The car you drove has an issue that needs to be resolved.
     
  14. ferraridriver

    ferraridriver F1 Rookie

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    My clutch is not at all heavy, it wouldn't dare!
     
  15. wbklink

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    hahaha
     
  16. Timmo

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    Which dimensions should be measured to evaluate clutch wear?
     
  17. NE550

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    Clutch feel on my 550 is very smooth, one of the smoothest take-ups of any car I've ever had (and I've had a lot of different MT high performance cars over some 40+ years). Effort is moderate, not too light, not too heavy. In other words, 550 clutch action overall is about ideal, IMO. That said, as with many things, YMMV.
     
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  18. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Timmo- No measurements that I know of. Ask your tech to show you the throw-out bearing pin and guide.
     
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  20. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #20 tazandjan, Jun 13, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2022
    I had forgotten all about that thread. Only 11 years ago so my memory must be going.

    Ferrari Clutch Wear Measurement 456-Early 612

    Brian Crall:
    There are several ventilation holes.

    On either version what limits clutch life is how far back the TO bearing sleeve or slave cylinder housing can travel rearward before coming to rest on the seal housing flange. Once it gets to the end of its travel the spring pressure starts going down and the clutch's days are numbered.

    On a stick shift car there is an anti-rotation device with a pin riding in a slotted steel bracket which is easily seen through the bottom vent hole. The location of the pin in that slot gives you a very effective and accurate guide to remaining clutch life. It should be in the middle of the slot when new and will move to the rear as the clutch wears.

    The F1 is a little more difficult. The guide pins for the TO bearing give you the same visual cue. But to really know remaining life looking at the distance between the rear of the sleeve and its distance to the flange of the seal hosing will tell you. It is a little harder. With a bore scope you can get a really good look.
     

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