Teams at odds over post-2024 F1 engine formula

I would agree with you on China's pollution problems. I was last in Beijing about 12 years ago, and the place was a pollution mess. But I disagree re the electrification of the auto industry. First, the resources required for both batteries and electric motors is available in China, Japan and Australia. Australian mines are already either far eastern owned or sold out to far eastern companies. Not sure about Japan, and China for sure will only export what it believes will help it achieve dominance by 2025.

 

F1 and other forms of racing should let the fans dictate whats best. At the end of the day the fans are footing the bill. No fans means no sponsorship, no money and no sport. Having said that i think most fans will be happy as long as ICE is used, no matter the configuration.

 

I'm just going by the forecasts I have seen, and the latest number from published sources are all over the place. I remember seeing one not to long ago (and my source is Automotive News, and industry must read, but may not be the source) said 10% of the new cars sold globally will be electric. And I think the year was 2030. The number was about 5 million new electric vehicles from 50 million new cars sold.

I think people in those cities will either take the buses, train, tram or have an electric cars (only in those areas where they will be required to), or not go there at all.

 

Not sure I agree on Europe, but I can believe China given the pollution. We know the ridiculous fees places like London charge (and what Bhm, Manchester et el) are putting into place for the future. My guess, no one in cities will have a car except one parked outside the "congestion" zone.

 

I would consider London a big city, but clearly you don't spend much time there, and are unfamiliar with the actuality.
There are waiting lists for private parking bays in high density zones starting at £20K a pop. Public parking bays around town are normally full.

A clean petrol engine is not really a contributor to global problems, while a diesel engine certainly is.
China's coal factories are likely the biggest single contributor to global health issues:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190913080749.htm

 

The west needs to wait for the Asian countries to clean up their act, because it really doesn’t make much difference to anything if Europe gives up its ICE cars if China doesn’t stop polluting on the gross scale it does, and can anyone see China listening to the west? No ****ing way, they don’t care so long as they keep collecting dollars


Forza Ferrari..... the only racing team and car marque that matters. Italia forever It’s easier to apologise than it is to ask permission

 

Canada’s a funny place. Other than Vancouver, not much of our population live by the coasts. And it’s a big country, with a spread out population (other than around Toronto), so transmission of electricity is a real problem. So much of our hydro electric power comes from either nuclear or gas powered plants.

We used to have a summer cottage on a lake about an hour outside the city...an average bill for a month in the summer was about $100....about$18 for electricity, the remaining $82 was delivery fees and taxes. Clearly itemized on the bill as such.

Funnier still, as a nation, we actually over produce electricity...which results in us paying the USA to take it off our hands because we can’t store it.
You can’t make this crazy stuff up.
Politicians here are lucky Canadians are too mild and passive to meter out the justice they deserve.
So forgive me, when I appear cynical of any new technology that’s going to divert more demand and spending to electric infrastructure.

 

In 10 more years most 20 year olds won't know what an ICE is...or was. They'll be zombies riding in robots.

 

Yes they will because they will have no interest in the individual car. They will have pods arrive at their door and take them to a giant transporter. They live in a collective consciousness and not an individual one. For today they would prefer to lease a car from a vending machine based on internet ads. They don't care how it drives or how it is powered, only how it looks. They will never look under the hood because they won't even know where it is. Their transportation will be an app on their smart phone. The scooters that clutter our sidewalks are just the first step toward anonymous collective-ownership transportation. The automobile from its earliest days meant individual freedom of movement. The "new people" scorn the concepts of "individual" and "freedom."

I don't know how this thread morphed into a P&R discussion. Maybe the mods should move it there.

 

Looks like the hype of electric vehicles is coming to an end. Rather than driving very polluting cars, I guess we will all walk, ride donkeys or camels. Farting cows will no longer be possible to eat. Wonderful new world coming.

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/dyson-decision-offers-latest-sign-ev-bubble-bursting?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20191011&utm_content=article6-headline

 

This week the utility company in California shut down the power grid serving almost 1mm customers in Northern Cali. The outage will last for up to a week, depending on weather conditions. Try plugging your Tesla into your solar panels. BTW, solar panels feed the grid. When the grid is shut down the electricity generated by the panels goes nowhere.