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Elton is becoming the new Alonso...in terms of BS i mean !

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  1. ktu

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    Schumi never beat a champion team mate, something Lewis has done twice
     
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  2. sammysaber

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    Alonso was on the same number of points despite having Dennis and Co's support of Hamilton, Button earned more points than him at McLaren, and Rosberg became WDC lol in an equal car to Hamilton and broke his run. To be fair, he has done great against Kovalainen and the Butler though.

    Best,
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  3. william

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    Yes, they finished with the same number of points in 2007, and the same number of wins, but the FIA ranked Hamilton (2nd) ahead of Alonso (3rd), by virtue of more 2nd places for Lewis (5, instead of 4 for the Spaniard).

    During the 4 years they were team mates at McLaren, Hamilton beat Button during 3 years. You can check the results.
    2010: LH 4th, JB 5th.
    2011: LH 5th, JB 2nd
    2012: LH 4th, JB 5th
    2013: LH 4th, JB 9th.

    During the 4 years they were team mates at Mercedes, Hamilton beat Rosberg during 3 years. The stats are available there too.
     
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  4. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    ‘Hamilton is the greatest racer UK has produced’

    Date published: October 15 2019

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/hamilton-is-the-greatest-racer-uk-has-ever-produced/

    From a country that gave us Jim Clark, Stirling Moss and Nigel Mansell, Damon Hill believes Lewis Hamilton is the “greatest racer” that United Kingdom has ever produced.

    Entering Formula 1 back in 2007, Hamilton was second in his debut season before winning the World title a year later.

    That would be his first of five, soon to be six, which would put the Briton just one shy of Michael Schumacher’s unprecedented seven Drivers’ Championship.

    On the way to his success, Hamilton has also helped his teams in the Constructors’ Championships with Mercedes wrapping up a record sixth successive teams’ title last time out in Japan.

    And yet the 34-year-old, who holds the record for most pole positions, 87, and most grand slams in a single season, 3, often does not get the credit that he rightly deserves.

    Hill himself has been critical of the driver in the past but today admits he’s the best the UK has ever produced.

    “It should be self-evident that Lewis is the greatest racer we’ve ever produced,” Hill told the Daily Mail.

    “One more to go after this one and he has equalled Schumacher, which was considered to be almost unreachable.

    “Year-in and year-out, he has delivered against all comers in all situations and he has got this down to a fine art now, the way he goes about it.

    “He has matured in every respect. He is properly formidable as a competitor. He is probably at the height of his powers and he knows it and he is relaxed about it.

    “Perhaps he doesn’t get the wider credit he deserves but that is a problem with our sport.

    “I don’t think it’s Lewis’s fault. I wonder if it’s the sport itself that has drifted away from the centre of attention.

    “The fanbase is still there in the UK but the viewership globally, a lot of people moved away from it when Michael was winning everything.”
     
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  5. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    How can one be called a "troll" for mentioning Hamilton on a thread dedicated to ... Hamilton ?
     
  6. ktu

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    Ham still beat Alonso despite same points according to the FIA. He beat Button twice, beat Rosberg three times after Rosberg beat Schumi. So the fact remains Schumi never beat a Champion team mate as Senna and Hamilton did.
     
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  7. 05011994

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    Schumi had to race against other teams, other than 2008 Hamilton has won in a 2 car 1 team championship. His soon to be 5:1 record in the championship is up to how one rates Bottas and Rosberg. Nice guys but hardly all time greats. Button ranks Alonso as a better all around driver for what that is worth, though he thinks Lewis was faster over 1 lap.
     
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  8. Jakuzzi

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    True..... and why is the media not asking how is the [alleged] "Transition" going?
     
  9. ktu

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    Both had to race against other teams, both have got beaten by other teams. One could say Micheals championships are up to how one rates Jos or Barrichello, Nice guys but hardly all time greats. Alonso says Ham is one of the top 5 all time
     
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    #35 JLF, Oct 16, 2019
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    I guess he thinks going vegan will offset his world travel burning yacht and jet fuel, all the carbon his supercars are putting out, and the carbon footprint of his mansions.
    Really smart move. I’m sure that’s the solution.
    I notice a lot of really rich, famous people do this, they say “I’m all for abortion and gay rights and I want to save the planet”...blah blah blah. They do this to keep the lefties in the media from coming after them with pitchforks and torches because they hate anyone who has more than anyone else. It sort of gives the Uber rich person a pass.
    Gee.....his life has no meaning, poor guy.
    Take some of your millions and give it to some poor children in orphanages or something and stop hanging out on yachts with rappers and their ho’s, that would be a start.
    Someone needs to send him this.....

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    The guy is a complete and utter ****. It’s easy to criticise the world and tell everyone to stop doing something when you have all the money in the world and it wouldn’t affect you anymore. I second the calls for him to go to formula (bor)E and help save the planet, get waxed by whoever is there these days.... dick
     
  12. furoni

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    LOLO, no, they did after..shumy had fixed the car...
     
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    Right. LOL. That's why the WCC point went down every years that Shu was there. It wasn't until Ham took over that the WCC points started rising and Ham's 2nd year they won their first WCC since reentering F1 and Ham the WDC. Shu was a has been by the time he came back to F1 with Merc, long past his glory days with Ferrari. I don't know what you were watching back then but Shu was unimpressive in the Merc, having only one podium finish (2012) for 3rd. He retired from a number of races due to issues with the car, crashes, and received numerous penalties during his 3 years with Merc. Hardly outstanding.
     
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  14. william

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    Hamilton never drove the same car as Schumacher.
    Schumacher never raced in the present hybrid formula.
    Team Mercedes designs a new car every year, both chassis and aero.
    So explain what kind of input Schumacher had on a new generation of Mercedes that took the WDC/WCC titles, 2 years after he left .
    Do you also think Schumacher's influence (according to you that is) extended to the subsequent 6 WDC and 6 WCC titles too ? LOL indeed !!!
     
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  15. furoni

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    Sure, sure, you know that before a car turns good, it's a turd, and someone make sit better...and it sure wasn't elton, because he sucks at developing, (unlike Nico) everyone knows that, even his fanboys...
     
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  16. ktu

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    Even if that was true, no one gives a crap about development. The driver is only part of development, thats why they pay people like Adrian Newy and Ross Brawn millions. The drivers have the biggest fans, not developers.
     
  17. 375+

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    Mercedes didn't dominate the competition until the change to the hybrid formula. They obviously had a jump on everyone else;) and the idiotic token system ensured that they would keep their advantage. Lewis was in the right place at the right time, if he hadn't been with the team Rosberg or another Mercedes driver would have won those many championships. As the late John Surtees said, Lewis is the better driver in the best car.
     
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  18. ktu

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    But Lewis has already won a championship and races, poles, etc without the best car.
     
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  19. william

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    You are avoiding the question !

    How did Schumacher FIX Hamilton's car ?
     
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  20. william

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    So why Rosberg didn't win "those many championships" ? He had the same car !! Now Bottas has the same car too.
     
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    He won one championship by finishing 5th in Brazil after "conveniently" passing Timo Glock in the final corner.
     
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  22. ktu

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    Exactly, now tell us about the previous 20 races where he won races and put himself in the position to win the championship. You can't win a championship doing one race.
     
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  23. william

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    True. With the ban on testing, the driver's role in developping the car is less than it was (like in Schumacher's time, for example).
    In any case, their input was limited; they didn't participate in the reconfiguration of the car in wind tunnel, etc ... it was mostly fine tuning the car balance.
    Now, the engineers who do all the development work (which is computer-aided), with limited feedback from the driver.
     
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  24. william

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    Other championships have been won by a single point.
    Do you wish to discredit them too, or do you only single out Hamilton for your scorn ?
     
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  25. 375+

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    No I save my scorn for trolls.
     

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