Lusso PTU failure....

this is the reason FFs and Lussos cant be sole be daily drivers - they end up in the hospital for weeks

 

My 2012 FF has been faultless as a DD over 21,000 miles. Lucky, I guess.


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What's the final verdict on the cause per FofNE?

 

Not good news but doubtless others following your Ferrari experience appreciate the updates! Hopefully now Ferrari will get things replaced and sorted to your satisfaction.

 

Good deals to be had on 488 models these days as an alternative. However that is not the same experience as the Lusso in a number of respects it would seem!

 

Maybe Ferrari should also offer the V12 Lusso without the PTU.

 

I have both cars and I would get the wagon with that commute. I think you would find it to be much more comfortable driving into the city. The E63S is a much more modern car with more conveniences and importantly does much better in stop-and-go traffic. It does not have a dual-clutch (which I'm always very conscious of in the FF when I'm in heavy traffic) and instead a very smooth (no torque converter, however) automatic transmission with 9 forward gears. If I was out in the country, however, I would likely have a different view and would likely pick the FF. I also do not stress about the E63S - I park it at the airport and train station. It is super stealth and does not get the Ferrari attention. Really no attention. If you care about that, it is worth considering that point as well.

 

Agree with the above post. Indeed, it really depends on your location. For me, I have the FF due to me located out in the country and thus >95% of my driving is 80+mph on long road trips.

I had an E63 (W212), and it's very much under the radar when driving around. It's probably even more so now with the large number of Benz on the road. This past weekend while out of town, I counted on the opposite direction highway around 10 Benz for every Bimmer I saw. It's crazy how many cars Diamler have put on the road in the past few years.

 

from my service record:
"REPLACE CRUSHED VAC HOSES UNDER INTAKE MANIFOLD, REPLACE SECONDARY AIR HOSES."

 

LussoT The PTU is needed for the AWD in the Lusso12

 

Any updates?

 

Maybe I was not clear enough. Sorry for that. I was aware that you had a new PTU, but just wanted to know whether that solved all your problems. New PTU installed and everything fine now? How many k's since? This is your first new PTU isn't it?

 

Heaven forbid that it isn’t!

 

it seems lussos having more DTC and PTU issues than ff from talking to shops.

 

Any ideas? Differences between FF and Lusso are small:
- 4WS (which doesn't affect PTU, I would say)
- higher compression and 30 HP extra (mwah)
- different gear spacing as I read somewhere at ferrarichat. If that considers the PTU, at least it suggests Lusso PTUs are different (should have a different part numbers then, I suggest)
External factors? Made in a different factory?

I picked up my MY13 FF 2nd hand in Munich in december 2016. It had 15k on the counter. When I drove it to Amsterdam, the car started to behave familiar. Manettino failure, 4wd failure and some other notifications. Just like my Thesis! At least it kept driving. The following months the same failures showed up regularly, most often the 4WD notification if I remember well. I thought it had to do with driving in the wet, so blamed the electrical circuitry / electronics, because otherwise the car was fine. Then in march 2017 I brought it away for maintenance. They replaced the battery and - unlike the situation with my Thesis - all notifications disappeared. Never had an issue since (well, some notifications, but they don't last) and have driven 45k since.

 

Yes everyone who has 4wd wet error shld change battery before anything else.

 

Not that small. The Lusso PTU has much higher torque limits than the FF's. From memory, up to 90% of the Lusso PTU's torque can pushed to the outside front wheel which the FF is not capable of. This is why owners of the Lusso report that its 4WD implementation is better than the FF's.

It may also be the reason why ttforcefed says that there are more Lusso PTU failures creeping up according to his dealer.

 

That makes sense. Then the explanation would be that the PTU can't withstand the force applied to it? But I guess that is only if you seriously drive your Lusso. Hard cornering in the first 4 gears when the situation asks for 4WD (rain, snow, etc.). Owners who are having the PTU-problem refer to day2day commuting, that is something else...

 

What do you mean by 'wet error'? In my case the setting did not change automatically to wet or so. Maybe because I was already driving in the wet setting. Can't remember ofcourse, but I would think that the 4WD error was independent from setting and I know for sure that the setting did never change automatically, i.e., manettino on 'comfort', display showing 'wet'.