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SF90 Stradale - YES/NO/MAYBE

Discussion in 'SF90 Stradale' started by Ferrari 308 Vetro, May 29, 2019.

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The new SF90 Stradale -

  1. I ordered one

    16.1%
  2. I will order one

    9.4%
  3. I’m considering

    14.2%
  4. No sorry, nothing for me

    35.1%
  5. I would if I could

    20.3%
  6. Waiting for a preowned one

    5.0%
  1. j09333

    j09333 Formula 3

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    Time has come and Ferrari want me to punch in my order spec for early car.
    I am still thinking about it.
    If I get early one, I have better chance of resale for pair price.
    If I get later one, I can breath a little until 812 GTS, see what happens with 812 VS if there is one, some first year problem will be gone, but I get to stick to the car for God knows how long before pair resale price.
    Or, I skip this early car, hold waiting, and wait for clouds clears of what future might be until 21, and cancel it.
     
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  2. Ohanoune

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    WAIT AND GET THE SECOND GENERATION HYBRID CAR, NEVER BE THE VICTIM OF THE FIRST hybrid CAR FROM FERRARI, OTHERWISE THE SF90 DOESN'T LOOK GOOD AT ALL, disgusting!!!,, I though it's only the rear end until I saw the car in person for the first time, the whole car exterior looks very very ugly and out of any artistic view at least to my taste!!!!!!
     
  3. F2003-GA

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    I was considering earlier on but I'm No longer interested :cool:
     
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  4. j09333

    j09333 Formula 3

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    Order is in for one of first three.
    Lets see how it goes.
     
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  5. F2003-GA

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    My prediction they'll be only a small premium for 6 months then zilch and heavy discounting before the model cycle ends
     
  6. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

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    Could very well be, if there all that many ordered...

    Here are the top reasons to select the SF90:

    https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2019/08/02/ferrari-nv-race-q2-2019-earnings-call-transcript.aspx

    Giulio Pescatore -- HSBC -- Analyst

    Thank you. That's super helpful. Second one a bit of a different kind. Can you share with us maybe the first reactions of customer sitting behind the wheel of a car that doesn't emit any noise, first time in history for Ferrari? And what those reduction give you as a feedback in terms of launching a full electric Ferrari EV?

    Louis Camilleri -- Chief Executive Officer

    Well, the very, very few that have tried it, because not many have, actually we are very impressed. And the quote is that, I mean, somewhat classical, but it was essentially the feedback was up. (1)Finally, I don't have to wake up the neighborhood, when I leave in the morning. And I can just gently drive away and put the blasts on. So, I think from a neighborly love perspective, it's viewed as a positive. I think (2)driving within the city is also viewed as a positive. So, so far the reaction has been very positive, but as I say, it's really a handful of people.
     
  7. Casino Square

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    No offense, but if my experience with the immobilizer in my old 360 was any indication, i'm not sure a heavily electrical dependent Ferrari is something to look forward to :(
     
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  8. Twosherpaz

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    Yeah who would possibly want the fastest ever street legal Ferrari?
     
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  9. Casino Square

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    Until the next fastest....
     
  10. F12B88

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    I'd like to see the Pista 1st. The 488 is very beautiful to me. The vibe I got from the SF90 Stradale when I first saw it was it's one of the UGLIEST Ferraris, if not cars I've seen. But, I said the same thing about the Pagani Zonda when I saw it. Now the Zonda F is still and always will be my Unicorn car. It's looks are timeless to me because you'll never really get used to it. It's futuristic, Le Mans prototype looks compared to what's on the road will always keep you curious. Once I started looking at it long enough. The SF90 Stradale is the only car since 2007 when I fell in love with the like Zonda F that gave me a similar feeling. I thought I'd get it with the 675LT and it's faded easily. I think this car will stand the test of time as opposed to maybe a 599 and many other Ferraris. I found me a few SF90s. As far as the super car market I see nothing topping this besides the slightly older 488 Pista. Nothing Mclaren or Porsche has to offer comes close.
     
  11. garak

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    If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard “[insert name of the just released Ferrari] is the ugliest ever and a travesty, [insert name of outgoing model] was the most beautiful and the pinnacle of the super car” I could buy an SF90 and have cash to spare.


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  12. italiafan

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    I’m a NA guy.
    And for all you bleating on about electric is the only way, and turbos, and GPF please tell me how Chevy with the ‘vette C8 has a pushrod small block NA V8 with no GPF that will go 0-60 under 3 sec, top speed ~190 mph, AND be on sale in Europe?
     
  13. Shadowfax

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    #163 Shadowfax, Nov 4, 2019
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    I think I'd take a big block push-rod v8 Chevy over this overly complex thingoey. So yeah it's a big N O for me....at any money.
     
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  14. REALZEUS

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    GPF is only required on DI engines. Ferrari also sells a larger and much more powerful N/A engine. What is the point you are trying to make? :confused:
     
  15. italiafan

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    I think the point is obvious.
    The "narrative" that Turbos/hybrid/GPF technology are a "necessary evil" to continue to produce high-performance sports cars going into the future...is false.
    Engineers, even at lowly Chevy, can produce cars that will deliver stunning real-world performance without requiring those crutches.
    I don't think may Ferrari fans would argue that their NA V12 is pretty much at the pinnacle of engine design for delivering emotional performance.
    Stick the V12 from the 812 into the SF90 and charge the same amount as current SF90 and the Ferraristi would be going nuts for that car....absolutely bonkers. Change the architecture of the engine to make it not require the GPF (which they are working on no doubt) and even better.
    Maybe Ferrari should follow Chevy's lead? (Yes...tongue in cheek.)
     
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  16. REALZEUS

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    It's a matter of average CO2 emissions. Chevy is a huge multinational that can afford to sell a single speciality car only in Europe, paying the penalties. Ferrari, and all other Europe based manufacturers, have to contend with EU regulations. Also, major markets like China levy punitive taxes on larger engines. You need to have a global perspective about those things.
     
  17. italiafan

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    i thought if any individual car model didn’t meet Euro requirements it could not even be registered for use on the roads, no? You mean it is a fleet requirement?
     
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  18. REALZEUS

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    Indeed. The mandatory GPF on DI petrol engines is one thing (nothing to do with CO2), average CO2 emissions a totally different one. Manufacturers that sell cars in the EU have a fleet average CO2 target they need to achieve (more lenient for smaller manufacturers, like Ferrari, whose target is not an absolute, grams per kilometre number, but a reduction in percentage). Heavy fines await those who don't hit their average target; that's why all manufacturers with a large presence in Europe keep launching hybrid and electric vehicles. Others (like FCA) buy their way out by paying other manufacturers (Tesla in the case of FCA) in order for them to transfer their CO2 average into the formers' portfolio: https://www.electrive.com/2019/05/05/fca-deal-to-buy-co2-credits-from-tesla-going-ahead/
     
  19. Lukeylikey

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    There is also a loophole called SVA - single vehicle approval - where many of the restrictions don’t apply. There are two versions of this, one for LHD American gas guzzlers and the like, where the volume will only ever be small and a more sophisticated version with more complications for cars that should normally be subject to whole vehicle type approval but for some reason don’t comply but still must be registered. Ferrari as a European manufacturer could theoretically take advantage of this homologation route but won’t because it is risky and could be removed at a moment’s notice. You can’t build a business on that, whereas for an imported Chevy it’s just a sideshow so no harm to SVA a few cars.
     
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  20. MANDALAY

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    Saw the SF90 in person
    I don’t like it
    For me didn’t spark any interest what so ever
    If I was given one for free I’ll trade it
    Actually I was more interested in getting one of the Ferrari cup cakes!
    To me a little digital like the 488/F8/Pista and an analogue TACO !
    Stilling way to complicated
    Massive overhang
    No room behind seats,actually the carbon behind the seat and carbon on the firewall was scrapped beyond belief because they hit
    Electric no thanks
    Last one is the F8 or possibly the F8 VS
    And it’s game over forever for a new Ferrari

    The LB with V6 and electric won’t be any better
    Gone is the era of Ferrari
    Well it lasted 85 years
     
  21. F458Spider

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    I hated the photos. Just not original and the back sides look awkward. Where is Pininfarina when you need them. Oh well. Sticking with my F458 Spider. It's just amazing. Perfect looks and sound.
     
  22. REALZEUS

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    The last posts are the very definition of the proverbial "judging a book by its cover"...
     
  23. F458Spider

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    To each their own. With a Ferrari, I always judge the cover first. 355 was awesome. 360 not so much. 430 was awful. 458 amazing. Design is the cover and with Ferrari most have been absolutely gorgeous. The La Ferrari and Enzo? Incredible! The SF90 is a dud. Just another derivative of 458/488. Ferrari is getting lazy with design.
     
  24. REALZEUS

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    Another English proverb, a much wiser one for that matter, is this: "The proof of the pudding is in the eating". In car terms that means, drive the freaking thing first and then form an opinion.
     
  25. MANDALAY

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    People have commented the run of 488/F8/Pista the interiors are the same and throw in the 458
    But that is what to me old want in a Ferrari
    I can get all that electric wizardry from a standard Toyota that gets me from A to B
    I just don’t need it I want to enjoy the car
    With the electrics OMG FERRARI better also include 7 year warranty along with the 7 year service
    I’m glad they made the Pista and F8 just to give us FERRARI lovers the last chance before they move on to a new world of electric
    At lease when my grand children are at a responsible age they can see and drive so FERRARI not some heavy weighted electric thing
     
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