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FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN GRANDE PRÊMIO DO BRASIL 2019: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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  1. Kiwi Nick

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    #251 Kiwi Nick, Nov 17, 2019
    Too bad for Albon. He deserved to be on the podium.

    I am over Vettel. He can't leave the team soon enough.

    Honda may be a major force next year.
     
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  2. RWatters

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    #252 RWatters, Nov 17, 2019
    Congratulations to Toro Rosso and McLaren. What a drive from Sainz. Drive of the day by far IMO.

    Re: Ferrari. The way it was presented during coverage was LeClerc pulling a clean move on Vettel into T1, Vettel whining on radio, then the incident. LeClerc could've kept moving over to avoid Vettel but it almost feels as though Vettel was moving over like he was because he was upset over the pass into T1. It sure feels a bit like Turkey to me. To me it felt like another red mist moment from Vettel. Ferrari can't catch a break.
     
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  3. william

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    #253 william, Nov 17, 2019
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  4. 500tr

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    #254 500tr, Nov 17, 2019
    I for me did not hear any wining from Vettel... But the decision of the stewarts seems to be wise for me :)
     
  5. william

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    #255 william, Nov 17, 2019

    When you look for a culprit, you first examine those with previous convictions ...
     
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  6. RWatters

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    #256 RWatters, Nov 17, 2019
    You are correct. I watched it again and the radio was from after the incident when he was yelling about the puncture.

    I still put this on Seb. He had the speed advantage and the best line going into the corner. No need to come over on your teammate given the advantage he had.
     
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  7. jpalmito

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    #257 jpalmito, Nov 17, 2019
    Penalizing Lewis and Mercedes is a shame !
    It must be a mistake..
    Can't believe this !
     
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  8. LamboLover

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    #258 LamboLover, Nov 17, 2019
    I still don’t know. Watching the clip again, Vettel is on the edge and trailing inward when he touches Charles. If he was being pinched, I’d understand mutual blame, but he wasn’t. Charles was also moving away from the outside with Vettel, Seb. could have easily remained back left but I think his goal was to drive Charles off the ideal line and keep him from trying to make an inside pass.

    Similar to Ham moments before blocking Albon way on the right before the turn.
     
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  9. 500tr

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    #259 500tr, Nov 17, 2019
    Ok.
    Seb moved about two meters to the middle of the track. Charles had about 15 meters space to move a little to the left. Pinching from Seb? I do not see that. But again, a wise decision, it was a race incident...
     
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  10. cmos

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    #260 cmos, Nov 17, 2019
    "Mercedes Formula 1 team technical director James Allison has called the decision to give Lewis Hamilton the opportunity to pit under the final safety car in Brazilian “dumb” and a “rookie error.”

    Allison also admits that the team was wrong to put the decision in the hands of the driver himself, especially as Hamilton was given incorrect information on how many places he would lose by stopping."

    Well, at least they own it.
     
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  11. SPEEDCORE

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    #261 SPEEDCORE, Nov 17, 2019
    I need to go find a full replay, this highlights package doesn't mention Gasly till the last corner LOL :eek:

    When Lewis crashes into ppl SKY instantly blames the other driver! :rolleyes:

    Congrats to Max with the win :D

    LOL Vettel

     
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  12. william

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    #262 william, Nov 17, 2019

    I thought it was a mistake when the did it.
    It wasn't necessary, and far too late in the race to make a difference.
    Well, it did make a difference, but in the worst possible way !

    Mercedes and Hamilton messed up today it has to be said.
     
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  13. ktu

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    #263 ktu, Nov 17, 2019
    As a Hamilton fan i'll admit, he drove better last year, 2018 was his best performance ever, best i've seen him drive, nearly zero mistakes, and some epic pole laps. To be fair i didn't think he could replicate such a year
     
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    #265 TurboFreak650, Nov 17, 2019
    The race had my full attention from start to finish. :cool:
     
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    #266 crazyblack, Nov 17, 2019
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    #267 root, Nov 17, 2019
    Ferrari should release Vettel now. His wrecking and spinning services are not needed for the last race.
     
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    #269 steved033, Nov 17, 2019
    They have dead air with that 30 minute show before the race starts.... why on earth would you ask that old man with the almost einstein hair ANYTHING.
     
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  20. ingegnere

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    #270 ingegnere, Nov 17, 2019
    Where does it say it's against Leclerc? Are you suggesting the stewards had already decided who was responsible when they summoned the drivers? It's not what the document says and there's probably a similar document for the other (idiot) driver.

    The fact the team representative was there and that the damage was contained within the team they probably asked the stewards to make a the ruling as neutral as possible.

    Problem for me is if Ferrari have not, at this point, determined the uselessness of Vettel they're done. With Honda/RBR improving, they have no hope next year running an idiot like Vettel.
     
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    #271 TurboFreak650, Nov 17, 2019
    Further, whoever in senior Ferrari leadership is responsible for Vettel's continued good standing in spite of fail after fail should go. Fatal error in judgment.....
     
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  22. william

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    #272 william, Nov 17, 2019
    You are only repeating the comments people have made about Vettel for the last 3 years.
    He came with an impressive record (4 WDCs no less), but since, the has hardly been the spearhead Ferrari needed to lead the team.
    Now, Vettel isn't the same driver he once was but nobody seems to have the courage to tell him at the Scuderia, where he is still Numero Uno.
    It didn't show too much against Kimi, but with Charles Leclerc arrival, the flaws become more obvious.
    It's not being anti-Ferrari to say that; some tifosi come to question his position too.
     
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    #273 william, Nov 17, 2019

    Binotto may be acting on orders to protect Vettel. Who knows?
     
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    #274 GrigioGuy, Nov 17, 2019

    I blame him based on the fact he moved into LeClerc. And, he has a history of bad racing decisions.
     
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    #275 Jack-the-lad, Nov 17, 2019
    Consider this my “dislike” button.
     
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