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  1. 444sp

    444sp Formula Junior

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  2. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    So, in other words, no hope for 2020.
     
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  3. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Instead of working on the car, Ferrari should work on the drivers !!
    And the pitwall strategy has to be addressed too.
    The 2019 wasn't bad as demonstrated several times.
     
  4. 444sp

    444sp Formula Junior

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  5. 444sp

    444sp Formula Junior

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    I think totally different from you, this gives me many hopes.
    The SF71H was the best Ferrari car of the last 3 years and the closest was to be champion.
    The SF90H had no race pace, destroyed the tires faster than its rivals and could only win when it had the extra 70 or 80 HP that we still don't know if they were legal.
     
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  6. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Let's hope you are right, and that Ferrari can compete without any controversy next year.
     
  7. jpalmito

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    Words in Italy that Ferrari is trying to increase downforce level on SF90 concept for next year car.
    The goal is to find the right compromise between drag and balanced downforce front and rear which is very difficult to achieve.
    Power unit is top notch power wise but less efficient than the Mercedes one which is a huge handicap during the race
    Works in progress both sides it seems but difficult to say it will be enough to be a contender.
     
  8. DeSoto

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    The SF90 was mediocre at best, but it was not a big surprise: Ferrari´s "anniversary cars" always suck: SF90, F150, F60... The next year there isn´t any anniversary so it will be better!
     
  9. pilotoCS

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    Well, that makes sense . . . :p:D;)
     
  10. DeSoto

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    It's science.

     
  11. johnireland

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    Ferrari makes great noise...and then flounders and flails their arms...and then makes excuses. The great car never seems to show up. Mercedes keeps their mouths shut and their noses to the grindstone and they win races. What Ferrari needs is to find a professional to run the team and keep the boys at FIAT out of the picture entirely. I think Toto Wolff would be a great choice for Ferrari...even without Hamilton.
     
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  12. DeSoto

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    Except when the tyres don´t suit them. Or they want their engine...

    Why do we always like to kick the one who is on the ground and praise the winner without the necessary nuances. Vae victis!
     
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  13. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Vae victis indeed !
    It's a very competitive world these days,where people like winners.
    You are hero one day, and zero the next.
     
  14. DeSoto

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    It´s not a competitive world. It´s the very shortsighted people of that world.

    I´m not surprised that politicians always manage to stay afloat: we have fish memory.
     
  15. spirot

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    My comment:

    1. Italian News Papers need to just leave it alone... they are not designing the car. Italian News papers are not in charge.. should be given no credence.
    2. Ferrari need a better team principal - and need to import more Non Italians again. if you look at it its most successful period ever -was Todt, Brawn, Byrne, Schumacher... none of them Italians.
    3. ITS way too early to be thinking about what the new car will be like... internally they are still in design / construction phase
    4. Driver line up is fine. let Vettel sort him self out - or retire. if they want Hamilton they will have to have a superior car - Hamilton alone will not fix the car
    5. Camileri needs to be more lead from the front and take a more active role in guiding Ferrari. Ferrari need a strong personality leading them.
     
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  16. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Italian newspapers criticising Ferrari reflect the public mood.
    When Ferrari don't perform to their expectation, the tifosi get depressed.
    The Italian media act on their behalf to put pressure on the Scuderia.
    A team that can master such a following, cannot ignore its fans: that's Ferrari's destiny.
     
  17. johnireland

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    I'm kicking Ferrari because they lost, when they could have and should have won.
     
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  18. DeSoto

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    I hope you kicked Mercedes too when their car was so useless and they were so lost that Pirelli had to change the tyres to help them.

    But, now, oh, they look so perfect.
     
  19. johnireland

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    Mercedes has risen above their weaknesses, recovering to win. I'm not happy that Ferrari lost...gave away victory...and I'm not going to make excuses for them. They blew it. More than once. Mercedes overcame their weaknesses by working harder.
     
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  20. spirot

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    oh I get the whole rational... but Ferrari have to ignore it or else they will continue to fail. When The Old Man was alive - he was consumed by the papers and opinion... and made bad decisions based on that.... only when he had a good intermediary - Tavoni, Dragoni, Montezemolo did they win.
     
  21. DeSoto

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    And by whinning.

    Never underestimate the positive effects of threatening to leave 1/3 of the grid without engines.
     
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  22. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    When you have this statistic - it is not about Mercedes and tires at all for Ferrari - "However, the organisation and execution of the race team has remained weak at times, while Sebastian Vettel and Leclerc have also contributed to missed opportunities, with 12 of the 21 grand prix weekends significantly affected by Ferrari's own errors."

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/147568/binotto-ferrari-doesnt-need-severe-changes
    Binotto: Ferrari doesn't need severe changes to Formula 1 team

    Mattia Binotto believes Ferrari is not in need of 'severe' changes to avoid the errors that cost the team several times during the 2019 Formula 1 season.

    Former technical chief Binotto was made team principal of Ferrari at the start of 2019, replacing Maurizio Arrivabene, but had to wait until after the summer break to celebrate his first win in charge - with Charles Leclerc at Spa.

    Ferrari's season was blighted by poor reliability, driver error and team mistakes, leaving it well behind Mercedes in the drivers' and constructors' championship.

    However, reviewing the errors this season, Binotto said: "I think each single mistake, if you tackle it from a lesson learned point of view, you can improve yourself.

    "I think there is nothing that has to be changed in terms of big changes, severely.

    "I think it's a matter of experience.

    "We always said we are a young team, especially in the roles, we are on a very steep learning curve.

    "So it's really a matter of making sure that whatever happens this season has been addressed."

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    Ex-FIA man Laurent Mekies supports Binotto on the sporting side as head of track activities as well as sporting director.

    However, the organisation and execution of the race team has remained weak at times, while Sebastian Vettel and Leclerc have also contributed to missed opportunities, with 12 of the 21 grand prix weekends significantly affected by Ferrari's own errors.

    Ferrari looked like it would end the season on a high as its qualifying form enjoyed a massive upswing after the summer break, yielding six straight poles.

    However that spike in performance led to huge scrutiny from its rivals, as well as technical directives from the FIA to eliminate any potential rule exploitation.

    Ferrari's season ended with increasingly less competitive performances over the final three grands prix, and one podium - Leclerc's third place in Abu Dhabi - during that run.

    "We should not forget that Mercedes brought an area package in Japan," said Binotto when asked by Autosport if he knew why Ferrari's season had a downturn in form at the end.

    "Red Bull has improved as well.
     
  23. jpalmito

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    They need a new Nigel stepney ( RIP) to rule the box.
     
  24. NeuroBeaker

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    Hmm. Hardly an example of an exemplary member of the team, given that he was found to be selling technical secrets to Ferrari's main competitive rivals, fired in disgrace, and convicted of "sabotage, industrial espionage, sporting fraud and attempted serious injury" by the Italian courts. Any standing he had was obliterated by his criminal behavior.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
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  25. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I understand that he may have committed suicide in the end ?
     
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