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My Lusso T did this, will my new 812 do it even more...

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  1. Mike Chawla

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    #1 Mike Chawla, Nov 30, 2019
    Hi,
    I have Lusso T for 3 months now and enjoying every minute, last night however I put my foot down a little harder than usual on a B road, at around 120-130 km/h the car almost rolled over I almost cross the footpath and went the other side luckily the car turned back in an S way a very big S if you know what I mean, the back danced big time at a reasonable high speed of 130 km/h

    My 812 is arriving in 2 weeks, from 812 owners, is it even more drama car back dancing or does the system help correct the car and feels safe

    Any feedback about this is appreciated
    Thank you all
    Mike


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  2. Tireman

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    #2 Tireman, Nov 30, 2019
    With 700+ HP on a B road, caution is always warranted.. no way for the tires to grip and the nannies to be 100% effective
     
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  3. Way2fast

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    #3 Way2fast, Nov 30, 2019
    What mode were you driving in

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  4. Mike Chawla

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    #4 Mike Chawla, Nov 30, 2019
    It was in Sports mode on Lusso T and it was in Auto and if I was not mistaken must be 3rd gear acceleration

    Usually I love the back movement in the 1st and second gear but this time it happened in higher speed was a bit scary



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  5. Gh21631

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    #5 Gh21631, Dec 1, 2019
    Always ensure your tires are warm. You are probably running summer tires on a cold road. There isn't that much torque in 3rd gear at 60mph. Maybe 2nd gear.
     
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  6. Mike Chawla

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    #6 Mike Chawla, Dec 1, 2019
    Thank you will keep this in mind about warming the tyre but in Thailand there is no winter, however I feel it must be that particular road only that is slippery


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  7. Gh21631

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    #7 Gh21631, Dec 1, 2019
    Tires should be over 90 degrees fahrenheit if you are going to stomp on it. Also if yo are in auto mode the trans is probably kicking down a gear or two so you have a ton of torque.
     
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  8. Mike Chawla

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    #8 Mike Chawla, Dec 13, 2019
    You are right about temperature even in tropical climate this is a great warning for me, today it did that again and I noticed the temperature was at 68-70, after driving when it went to 85-90 I can feel the grip improved so much, this is a lesson for me before the arrival of 812, I am new to these super power over 600hp cars and I didn’t know it had so much impact especially with rear wheel drives
    Thank you for the info on temperature and I hope this gives others heads up as well
    Be safe all


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  9. Caeruleus11

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    #9 Caeruleus11, Dec 14, 2019
    V8 Turbo engine has more torque lower in the rev range, the V12 in the 812 you will have to be mindful of the power as the RPMs build.
     
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    #10 Mike Chawla, Dec 18, 2019
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  11. Gh21631

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    #11 Gh21631, Dec 18, 2019
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    #12 Outrun, Dec 18, 2019
    Change the Pzero to Michelin.
     
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    #13 Gh21631, Dec 18, 2019
    Yeah, I have Cup2's on my Pista and they are very good.
     
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    #14 Caeruleus11, Dec 18, 2019
    Congratulations! I agree about the Michelins- but its been hard to get the right Michelin sizes for 812. I would not put Cup2 on the 812 unless you plan to drive only in dry and warm conditions. I would suggest Michelin Pilot 4S. The Pirelli PZ4 that come on the car are actually pretty good, I just slightly prefer the Michelins.
     
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    #18 montpellier, Dec 18, 2019
    Mike, maybe be worth going to a circuit or a place where you could try the car out safely in the same conditions, so you can get a feel of the car and how it reacts. More so with 812 . An 812 in the UK below 10 degrees c is just impossible to use the power . As others have said tyre temperature is very important as they are designed for hard use and need warm up time.
     
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    #19 Mike Chawla, Dec 19, 2019
    yes sir its Blu Elettrico!! its hard to see the color inside as it gets darker, but you have sharp eyes!!
     
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    #20 Mike Chawla, Dec 19, 2019
    Hello my Lusso T on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S since i changed from Stock to HRE wheels
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  21. REALZEUS

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    #21 REALZEUS, Dec 19, 2019
    The PZ4 is better than the Michelin anyway, but only when properly warm. Too much power and cold tyres is never a good combination. Try a lower manettino setting when the tyres and/or the weather are cold.
     
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    #22 Cnoordz, Dec 26, 2019
    IMO your original 'problem' can not be solved with different tires. Just be very careful with kickdown...shift manually with the paddles to avoid surprises.
     
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  23. Mike Chawla

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    #23 Mike Chawla, Dec 26, 2019
    Thank you, I have been careful and wait for the tyre temperature to go up and don’t have that drama anymore



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    #24 paulchua, Dec 27, 2019
    Glad you are okay, remember the summer tires on these have poorer reaction in wet, perhaps the strip of road you were on had a wet area? Congratulations on your 812!

    Best wishes.
     
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