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Poll: Is an EV Ferrari still a Ferrari?

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Is an EV Ferrari still a Ferrari?

  1. Yes, even with no ICE, it's still a Ferrari

    37 vote(s)
    30.6%
  2. Maybe, it depends... (please explain)

    13 vote(s)
    10.7%
  3. No; without an ICE, it's just an exercise in branding

    71 vote(s)
    58.7%
  1. ginoBBi512

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    It will be another sad day when Ferrari joins the ranks of the mass produced family car manufacturers , and starts to build electric cars. Ferrari is not and has not been the company it once was, so who can be surprised about a forthcoming EV. It will be up to some of us here on this Forum, to try and keep the Ferrari mystique going, while we continue to own our cars for the pure purpose of the PURE DRIVING EXPERIENCE , its that simple. Oh , one other thought I forgot to mention, Ferraris are so insanely beautiful, sexy, and whatever else , that one can just pull up a chair, and stare at them forever while static. No other car can draw oneself into it , like a Ferrari can .
     
  2. ixlr8

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    Would an EV Ferrari be a Ferrari, Yes. Would I want one, No.
     
  3. A348W

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    Nope.

    And I won’t be the slightest bit interested. Just another food blender but with a prancing horse badge!
     
  4. davemqv

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    If it has a Ferrari badge on it, it's still a Ferrari, whether most of us like it or not.

    I will say that while I haven't driven one yet, my Porsche friends all say that the new EV Taycan, inspite of beinng an EV, still feels like a Porsche. They often mention that somehow Porsche was able to maintain the road feel and handling of it's ICE cars in the new EV. So that gives me some hope.

    But mostly, as EV takes over, cars will internally be the same. The differences will be primarily down to handling, cornering, braking on the performance side, and aesthetics on the design side. Engine power will largely become a moot argument. In fact, since so much power can be had from EV vehicles, I can actually see power and performance being capped at a certain point, otherwise every idiot in their 2040 Nissan Versa is going to be capable of 0-60 in <2 seconds and have a top speed of 250 mph, and we'll probably be killing one another left and right.

    For Ferrari, I think the thing that could still make them stand out is to abandon this childish trend they're currently stuck on, of winning on paper in the "spec wars", and instead return to the romance of their older cars. I don't care how fast a 275 GTB is. I care that it's beautiful and romantic. So let Porsche and McLaren make cars that look like life size incarnations from Disney's "Cars", and let Ferrari return to elegant body shapes and beautiful interiors. Leave the carbon fiber in the engine bay, and bring back polished metals and woods, and thick aromatic leather. In short, I think Ferrari should start making cars for grown ups again. Rich playboys, sure. But the 40 year old type, not the 23 year old trust fund kids.
     
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  5. Caeruleus11

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    My friends who have driven the Taycan say it has Porsche steering feel, but it has no emotion. So its kind of eery. Adding emotion to the equation is the challenge. I think we derive emotion from many things, but the two biggest ones are sound and shifting gears- even if its pulling a paddle. EV doesn't have that. If they want to charge the big money, they will have to figure out a way to imbue the cars with emotion. Or its just an appliance.

    I think Ferrari can do it, they have super talented people and I think as long as they are building a sufficient amount of the EV parts, then its a Ferrari.
     
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  6. ginoBBi512

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    "No chance Fredo" , its that simple...lol
     
  7. Igor Ound

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    I see a lot of similarities between the new wave of electric cars and the quartz revolution in watches. If so what will Ferrari became? Casio or Patek Philippe?
     
  8. Solid State

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    I don't believe a word Pierro says given his long financial stake in the company. The video tells me Enzo was a racer. Racers want one thing and that is to win. They don't care what brand they drive either. Racers race. Its a competition thing. That said, Enzo describes his love of the machine itself. He ultimately wanted to build racing cars that were mechanically superior. If an electric Ferrari is not decisively a mechanical thing than it would not be a Ferrari. A George Jetson car would not be a Ferrari even if it had a shield on it. However, an all electric power train car could be a Ferrari if it retained its full mechanical nature and performance superiority.
     
  9. paulchua

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    I mean, I guess we can use ICE for vacuum cleaners, blenders, refrigerators, washing machines, computers, stoves/ovens, microwaves, cell phones, watches, clocks, lights, radios, TVs,

    Put another way, almost every other known product element known to man.

    Again, don't get mad at me/hermes/mercury. As Billy Joel said, I didn't start the fire. I'm just telling you the shade of color it's currently at.
     
  10. paulchua

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    Who am I to say I know for sure you're wrong and Piero is right? Maybe so.
    I hope you don't take offense that I'm going with Ferrari. (Piero that is.)
     
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  11. wfu97

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    It would be a Ferrari by name, but not one I was interested in purchasing.
     
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  12. HH11

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    My thoughts too.

    Ferrari's EV will be a Ferrari, just like Mercedes EV is a Mercedes and Tesla a Tesla.

    Difference here is that they will all have a similar powerplant. So they will feel and probably even sound the same (that annoying hum they all make, fake pumped in sound aside)
    Gone will be the pleasures of a high revving V8, torquey V12s, Flat 6 howls from Porsche, and even muffled, but interesting turbo sounds from McLaren.

    For me, the differentiating factor between exotics has always been the motor. Once you lose that you lose me. Not that it matters because they will sell every one they can make even before they make it.
     
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    I'll simply note that one of the most-asked questions at the local 296 reveal was "what does it sound like?" Fortunately, we were able to hear it, and it's proper.

    I don't see the same reaction to a machine that goes from silent to hummmmmmm
     
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  14. jjp11

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    The only thing future generations of buyers will care about is how the car looks when they're posing in front of it on social media. Automakers know this. Exhaust notes will be replaced by some sort of synthetic audio sound emitted from the car for pedestrian safety. It will most certainly be marketed and customizable. Downloading a new car "note" for your car will be as easy as downloading an app on your phone.

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  15. DiabloTerr

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    I am uninterested in a Ferrari that does not sound like "a Ferrari".
     
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  16. Jaguar36

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    What if Ferrari just fitted a 'sound generator' to the EV? They already do it to other cars they already do it to other cars...
     
  17. Shorn355

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    A Taycan is still a Porsche - IMHO as long as they don't bastardize the name (i.e. F8-E / 296-E or something asinine like that) and they put the same engineering, design and passion into it as they have their cars for decades then it is still a Ferrari.

    Cheers :)
     
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  18. Shark01

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    Not mad at you, I would never own such a thing....it turns a car into an appliance and I’m not paying a huge premium for that over a Honda appliance.
     
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  19. DiabloTerr

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    To me at that point we are just getting silly...that fake sound garbage that they pump into the BMW's and others is straight embarrassing with its synthetic nature. For me it's the full Spectrem of seeing the exhaust set up, smelling the gas that reminds me of the being at racetracks, and the random nature of the pops, bangs, and overruns. For me that last Ferrari I am buying at this point is a 488, it has about as much digital interface as I will put up with while still sounding Ferrarish with the right X-Pipe set up and Car Deletes.
     
  20. TheMayor

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    To me, Ferrari is engineering and visual art. A Ferrari has no other real purpose. Other cars go faster. Other cars are better made. Other cars are more reliable.

    A Ferrari is also best when its not "fake". Real hand stitched leather. Real carbon fibre. Real welded chassis. Real hand finished aluminum body. Real noises out of the engine and drivetrain.

    I don't see the beauty of hidden battery packs and electric motor casings.

    I think the F150 electric truck is a real marvel. Someone finally re-invented a work truck using the advantages of electric power to make something better than before. I see no advantage to making an electric Ferrari.
     
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  21. TheMayor

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    And Enzo made some flops also.
     
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  22. JTSE30

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    agreed, no to an electric Ferrari

    but, the F150 lightning, better than before? hardly, you can get up to 900 miles range in a combustion gasoline F150 (with optional 36 gallon tank) and you can 're-fuel' in very short order as compared to an electric that gets 300 miles(really 80% if you are charging while driving as the last 20% charge takes a long time to to accomplish, so more like 240 miles, but, but, if hauling a trailer like they show on their site, expect about 100-120 miles range, that will make for some 'grand adventure' while you have to (a) find a charging station that will accommodate a truck+large trailer (b) wait and hour or so, again, after every 120 miles or so of driving...that's not better, that's much much worse...

    here's that image:
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  23. Jaguar36

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    Sure, thanks to the 488's sound generator!
     
  24. paulchua

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    That he did, he was famous for saying aero didn't matter (until it did) also for going front engine (chariot thingy) - until he switched to midengine. I don't see him changing his mind as a weakness, on the contrary - I've always respected folks that were able to grow given new evidence.
     
  25. DiabloTerr

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    Cool I get it, you like what you like. Don't make it weird.
     

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