Agree with that but have to get used to the SF90 as the current flagship. 812s is relatively old news now given all the releases that have followed and are coming out with Roma being one of them. Its a different segment but similar in other respects. Not sure where you see so many mistreated prior flagships. I'm sure somebody out there going in and out of cars without real ownership mistreats them but the ones I have seen are immaculate.
Maybe we could just take Chris Harris' comment literally- HE- would rather purchase a pre-owned F12? (Its been a few days since I listened to his comments so maybe I am mis-remembering). But the F12 is about as traditional Ferrari as you can get- front engine, NA V12... Roma is really not aimed at the traditional V12 client. Rather its aimed at taking clients away from other brands. Early feedback suggests it is doing just that. I was just reading the latest Car magazine (UK) and they say the Roma is beautiful and clearly fills a hole in Ferrari's lineup. So, everyone has their opinion. Happy holidays everyone!
I guess his main argument was that "the ROMA looks identical to an Aston Martin! and he added "if I was Aston Martin I wouldn't be there, I would be on to my lawyer!!!!!"
Well, I have not seen it in person, but from pictures, I don't think it looks identical to an Aston. Sure it has some similar themes, but I suspect Aston doesn't hold some kind of patent or copyright on "handsome front engine" design. To me, the Roma has a very "Italian" look to it- the Aston doesn't. It's a subtle difference and that's just how it strikes me based on pics.
It looks beautiful though. First time in my life I see a copy which looks more beautiful than the original thing!, we have a very strange situation here
Everyone seems to have missed his comment that Roma should have been a Maserati, agree and the upcoming Maserati M240 appears to be more Ferrari then the traditional Maserati road car. they should still be sister companies.
Agreed. Roma should have been branded a Maserati. I would like it a lot more if it were a Maserati. Ferrari keeps ruining the brand with each passing day.
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The reality is that when FIAT let Ferrari manage Maserati, Ferrari completely screwed up the opportunity under the unquestionably brilliant leadership of Luca Di Montezemolo. Ferrari had then another brand that was less prestigious and for which increasing the production was not a threat to the appeal, but they did not even manage to sell as many Maserati as Ferrari - so they concluded it was far easier to sell Ferrari cars and went the lazy way instead of working to develop Maserati (and FIAT took Maserati back).
I often do not concur with Harris, but this time around, I do. Choice of F12 over Roma is absolute no-brainer!
Lots of buyers can't tell the difference between a V8 and a V12, but they notice the cool screens in the Roma, so I think that from a business point of view, the Roma makes sense. I don't think it it co be sold well as a Maserati, too expensive for that. They already struggled to sell the 150k euro Gran Turismo.
Apparently, Ferrari car owners are discerning, resourceful, successful or competent enough in their lives to consider buying at least one 250.000-500.000 USD (if not millions in the case of rare classics) car. Some do have more than one of those and many have some other cars in their collections, as valuable or close to those figures. Yet, when it comes to their knowledge about cars, according to your -allegedly disrespectful comment- "lots" of those buyers seem to be flawed or ignorant enough so that they wouldn't know the number of pistons the cars they buy have, or, continuing your line of reasoning if they had manual or automatic transmissions. I wouldn't dare to belittle Ferrari buyers in a Ferrari forum so as to position yourself in higher grounds above others, mere mortals.
Well, I didn't want to be disrespectful... but you should consider a few things. First, it's obvious that there are folks born with money or who are smart for business, but nothing else. Also money and taste often don't go together. And second: I think you should not compare the average Ferrari customer to the people here. Here comes people who enjoys talking about cars so it's more interested in the subject and pays more attention to subtetlies like what's under the hood. Of course, I didn't mean that the average customer can't tell the difference between 8 and 12 cylinders literally: it's just that they don't care, and they're in their right to do so. They just want a car that is fast and don't care about how it's done. Personally, I'm not such a motor junkie to prefer a F12 over a Roma just for the engine.
Probably there are many valid reasons, but I suppose not enough for the average customer: they just see that for the money of an used V12 they can get a new Roma.
The Roma is unfortunately not a 2+2 nor is it a 2 seater. It is something in between which I do not understand... why is it as large as the ‚fat‘ 812?
I do not know who it is that was speaking like Chris and looked like Chris. The person in the video ranked his top five GT Ferraris three four seaters, an admitted horror of maintenance, and the F12. I do not know how many caveats would be necessary to have four of those five as my favorites (I do like the F12). It would just not happen. Oh, and he denigrated the beautiful, outstanding Roma. Weird stuff this.
Well, yes, that's used: you can't choose the colors! And it hasn't those modern gadgets that people is used to have in expensive cars. Priorities, I guess.
I was one of those decrying the uterine back end (it's still certainly not my favorite part of the car) back when it was first shown; it took a long time for me to warm to the shape of the F12. Mike