Thanks. I was planning on Kline 200 cell, which shouldn’t cause CEL issues? Spent more time in the 812 today. My assessment is X pipe provides earlier and better F1 style sound from 4K onwards instead of say 6K onward without it. Definitely higher pitch at upper RPM range and fuller body sound. Big cons are (not really in order) 1) Volume 2) Loss of beautiful lower end fullness 3) Lose the brutal up and downshift sounds I’m wondering if adding sport cats fixes all 3 or if I’m better off adding sport cats and going back to H pipe. I’m going to attempt to see it I can try it both ways in a few weeks when cats come in, but if anyone has tried this and can tell me if I’d be wasting my time please let me know.
I just don't know about the rest of your questions, but with prior model Ferraris, CEL warning seems to come on when you move to less than 200 cells. Please keep us updated on your adventure!
I think by adding the cats you will be satisfied. The X-pipe does add a higher pitch, and once the cats are added you will get the volume you are looking for. It's also very hard to gauge what is the best option for any particular person as volume is very subjective. Here is our Lusso with Novitec X pipe, Valved Exhaust, and Catless pipes for reference
Drove my 812 again today after having the Novitec back boxes and x pipe fitted. I’m now convinced it sounds quieter than stock. Very odd. It is more linear in sound (valves don’t open) but overall more subdued makes me wonder that exactly I spent £6k on....
Getting 100 sports cats in Jan. Hopefully that will help but my word of advice to anyone considering just doing the Novitec back boxes... not worth the money, to my mind
Interesting. I initially did just capristo valved exhaust and found it to be a nice improvement. The x pipe killed the sound for me. I’m having it removed in the meantime while I wait for Kline 200 cell cats.
Kline 200 cell cats and full exhaust on my Lusso. Threw a CEL but O2 spacers solved the issue. Very happy with the cats and exhaust. CEL was frustrating to deal with but resolved. From my research it’s either 200 cell or stock. 100 won’t do much Regardless I would put spacers in and if I had to do it over the spacers would have their own cats. I’ve had some on and off CELs even with the spacers but nothing major It’s always the 0420 and 30 codes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Thanks- can you clarify what you mean about cats for the spacers? Do you mean extra set of cats? Do you have a link to the parts?
There’s 2 types of spacers. One of them is basically metal pipe that the sensors attach to. Extending where they normally are. The other is a spacer with a small cat attached to the end....Kline sent me a set but here’s the basic premise....my look almost identical.....in my experience putting these in is a no brainer. They’re inexpensive and everything is apart anyways...the spacers with no cats have worked but not perfectly.....still a CEL from time to time but not enough for me to spend another $1200 to put the new ones on.... https://www.fabspeed.com/universal-90-degree-o2-spacers-with-catalytic-converters-pair/?cmp_id=8405827889&adg_id=91477128371&keyword=&device=m&utm_campaign=&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&utm_term=&hsa_kw=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_grp=91477128371&hsa_cam=8405827889&hsa_acc=6443713113&hsa_tgt=pla-457817953584&hsa_ver=3&hsa_ad=403506087801&hsa_mt=&hsa_src=g&gclid=Cj0KCQiAovfvBRCRARIsADEmbRKP7-rV_hbW0ddgeZcTR0CAwm_yl7x59oayeqrqp5db7Ki2g1pTuxYaAkU1EALw_wcB Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have same setup on my 812 capristo valved exhaust with X pipe below is sound clip. Im glad I kept the stock cats because its just perfect the way it is...not obnoxiously loud like my friends F12 Enlargo with full novitec setup. My setup sounds just like stock but 50% louder and not raspy like other brands. Luckily no drone but I feel any louder there will be drone https://www.instagram.com/p/B3OZZ41Jigq/?igshid=1k5jzw8o0p27b
Given J34's comments on X-Pipe (his cons below), I was wondering if you have the X pipe on your Lusso? 1) Volume 2) Loss of beautiful lower end fullness 3) Lose the brutal up and downshift sounds
Interesting comments about an x pipe potentially reducing volume and having negative impact on downshift noise. I did some searching around and virtually all of the major exhaust manufacturers (IPE, Novitec, Capristo etc) use an x pipe as part of their recommended/full systems. Obviously these companies are trying to sell us as many expensive parts as possible... but I still think if the x pipe added nothing or was a detriment then they wouldn’t recommend it... Thoughts?
Quick question - has anyone taken their 812 with sports cats and an aftermarket exhaust to a track day in the UK at one of the main circuits (Silverstone, Goodwood etc)?? I am planning to do that this year and wondering if it will fail the noise tests. Each track has slightly different static and drive by limits. Any experience with that??
Picked up my 812 today after the 100 cell sports cats were added (previously had x pipe and Novitec rear boxes)... wow wow wow. The car screams at high revs! Would recommend to anyone (although the cold starts are brutally loud) Had a crazy experience after picking it up from the workshop: drove 5 mins down the road and a lot of smoke starts billowing out from under the hood. I was convinced the engine had caught fire and the whole car was about to go up in flames! Called my mechanic and he said don’t worry it’s normal, just some material burning off the first time it’s used! They could have told me that!
Glad you stuck it out and kept the X-pipe in there! The cats definitely make all the difference in volume. The V12 sound is amazing!
Just received the Novitec straight pipes, X pipe, and sport exhaust. Installation next week. Keep ya posted
Capristo boxes usually adds volume by themselves, as an "open" Capristo box is often pretty much a straight shot through the box. Not sure about the ins and outs of the Novi boxes. Each company has their recipe and way of doing things, and I'd be inclined to think Novi is tuning their boxes for a full setup. Capristo has always done things in stages, so they create components that can work well as stand-alone, as well as complete systems. That's one of the many reasons I like Capristo. As for your X-Pipe. Yup, it does smooth out the sound quite a bit. Whether this is good or bad, is purely subjective. I like that the car can get a more unique sound, without adding vume for those who needs to keep the volume down. From what I've heard, the cats will bring back some of the lows and increase volume significantly. Try both, because once you get into sportscats you may also get some drone, so don't discount that X-Pipe just yet.
You could consider the Forza controller. It has a full closed option that will keep the cold starts quiet if needed be.
https://www.scuderiacarparts.com/blog/ferrari-812-decats-or-sport-cats/ Good write up comparing straight through pipes / decat vs. sports cats. My car
My car isn’t due an MoT (UK annual test) but i took it in anyway after my exhaust works were completed (812 with Novitec rear boxes, x pipe and 100 cell sports cats), just to see if I’d have trouble when the test due They measured the emissions and said it was fine and also the noise wasn’t a problem! I was pleasantly surprised, given that high flow cats obviously filter less. Plus, the car is far king loud...