E-Z Timing Belt Swap?

Seems like a good idea actually..
You can loosten engine then lower the rear and raise the front and clear the pulley. I saw that outside fchat a while back. But if you can do it without any of that, not even break motor loose or disconnect anything, just remove the cross bar.. Yeah...

The cross bar would need an inside flange to connect to the sides then be through bolted with a backing plate. The holes for the bolts would need to be sleeved. Frankly it's basic Fab 101 thinking about it. Need to see it but I like it.

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I need to replace leaking seals cam a shop botched. This would be perfect for that. Although that could be done without removable bar just need to release tensioner I think...

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Great Idea.

 

Great idea... you first.

 

One of my 355s has a fuel cell under the hood with gas tank removed. I rather just drop the motor. Much more working room as intended by design

 

Why Paul, why?
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keeping it difficult (engine out) keeps out the riff-raff

 

I understand where you are going. You are just trying to see if you can figure out a way to keep the belt change cost down, and possibly simplify it.

 

I honestly believe that is true. I also believe it is designed that way to generate perpetual income from the service.

Not Ferrari related but, I recently had to tear apart the entire intake system of a Mercedes just to get to 1 bolt, ONE BOLT! The oil separator for the crank case ventilation went bad and the engine was ingesting oil = throwing multiple check engine codes and blowing white smoke out the tail pipe. I could get to the 3 of the 4 bolts that held the oil separator in place. The 4th bolt was inaccessible because the secondary high pressure fuel pump was preventing any access to the head of the bolt. So I had to tear apart the entire intake system and the fuel lines just to get to 1 ONE bolt. (I have the tip of the screwdriver on the bolt I couldn’t get to easily). I am convinced it was engineered that way on purpose. The oil separator was a $54 part you could buy on Amazon, and the dealership wanted over $1,100 to do the job. I know why, because it was all laybor. Believe me I was weaving a tapestry of cus words when I was working on it.
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I don't think Mercedes does that on purpose. German cars eat AOS for breakfast and the replacement of said component is almost always stupid. Porsche 996 AOS is hidden in the corner of the engine that is most difficult to get to. The AOS on the Mini Cooper requires replacement of the entire valve cover ($500 part). Gone are the days when you can change the two-dollar PCV valve in five minutes.

 

People just like to pick on the 348/355 for that "feature," that is all. The Mondial has the same feature as well as the Testarossa and they don't get mentioned as much.

 

It would need flanges for the inserted bar. So the bar and cradle flanges face each other and the flanges bolt together. Deals with the latteral push pull force. You don't want forces on the bolt holes.

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like taking the engine out of a Miura is any fun...



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I fail to see what all the fuss is about. It's just taking the engine out of a car, and the subframe makes it so easy.

sjd
100% biased from the latter 2000s taking the engine out of the Lola -- usually late at night and last minute.

 

Ya but a the fluids just suck and add to work. It's not just remove cradle and replace cradle. Brakes, clutch, coolant, bleeding, AC, etc. Removal is an issue, so much so Ferrari engineered the need away after all. No one does a 360 service and says geez I wish we needed to remove this. But when they do the clutch they say geez we have to remove this.

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Did you do any work on a 360, especially the cam timing part?

 

I disagree.
They could very well engineer the car to be easily serviceable and mechanic friendly. But they don't. They sure do it on races cars, for quick changes during 24hr endurance races, so why not on a street car? Profit that's why. Can't make any money selling an easy to replace $54 part versus $1100 in labor to change that inexpensive part placed in a difficult to get to location. So they make it a pain in the ass to change = more money too do the job.

A $100 timing belt on a Ferrari that you need to remove the entire rear drive train to change???? Cummon..............
You know it has to be to make money.

 

But who is really making the money on the labor? They're definitley making money on the parts.

 

The dealership/shop

 

I would much rather do a service on a 348/355 than a 360 if anything more than swapping belts is involved. The engine on a stand (not that hard if you're set up to do it) makes replacing seals and gaskets and cleaning and inspecting everything, pretty easy. Not to mention getting cam timing dialed in, which is pretty difficult, working through that access panel. Some 360s suffer from differed maintenance because of this.

The idea of re-engineering the car's frame (butchering) to accommodate easier (in your opinion) maintenance is a good brain exercise, but not Real World friendly.