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Will any other team add DAS to their car?

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Will any other team add a DAS system to their car?

Poll closed May 13, 2020.
  1. Yes

    6 vote(s)
    24.0%
  2. No

    19 vote(s)
    76.0%
  1. kylec

    kylec F1 Rookie
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    Pretty easy- yes or no
    There are plenty of reasons for either to be logical.
     
  2. pilotoCS

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    No. It hasn't been proven that it specifically improves lap times. Now, that doesn't mean a few experiments might be in order. But, until it's seen under race conditions it's only speculation that it improves the car. Winter testing doesn't mean much.
     
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  3. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Ferrari or RBR might try to make it ,have a few months down time now i guess.
     
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  4. johnireland

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    I don't think so. With the season growing shorter from Virus (potential) cancelations, it might be easier to just race with what you've got. If there is a 2021 season, that is where the development money will be going. And with all new cars, now would be the time to lobby for more free testing during the off season.
     
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  5. william

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    I said NO.
    To add DAS on a car, probably it would be necessary to redesign the whole front suspension.
    Although with the cancellation of the early events there could be time to do it, there would be no testing before the first race.
    Also, there is the cost factor.
    The time and money spent on DAS cannot be carried over for next year.
     
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  6. Mitch Alsup

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    Has it been proven: no
    Has the only car with it run heads and shoulders faster than everyone else: Probably
    Would that car have run heads and shoulders faster without DAS: unknown.

    The improvement in in tire life, or tire grip (depending on how it is used.)
    a) Getting rid of scrub (toe neutral) means that the car is faster on the straights without giving anything up in the corners--AND getting longer tire life or cooler tires.
    b) Having plenty of scrub (to out) is good for mid corner traction--using tire life where it is best utilized.
     
  7. TonyL

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    C)Neutral toe at 180mph on a long straight may actually be dangerous?
    D) Shifting toe +/- at F! speeds can be dangerous as well especially if done in the heat of battle. I wonder if whole new book on drivers excuses is looming. "Yeah i should have pushed instead i pulled!! :)

    best

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  8. PerKr

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    They could spend a bit of time looking into designing a DAS system while also adding toe change to the simulator to see if there is any real gain from it. With all those engineers not getting data from races to analyze there should be some time left to play around with this.

    That said, I think only red bull and ferrari would bring it to the actual track, the rest of the teams have other priorities as a lack of racing will likely mean less funds.
     
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  9. Remy Zero

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    Nope. The factories, IIRC are on on lockdown. i think 2020 cars will just be show cars.
     
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  10. Isobel

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    Why bother, especially considering it will be a half season (if all goes well).
     
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  11. kylec

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    With 2020 regulations extended through 2021 there is the opportunity to spend time developing the DAS.
     
  12. Bas

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    Copying their rear suspension would be a far better investment.
     
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  13. Bas

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    Doesn't stop lead designers working from home and sharing information. skeleton crew at factory?
     
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  14. Igor Ound

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  16. Mitch Alsup

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    Even if DAS as currently developed is banned,

    F1 is so filled with clever engineers that most will have some additional control over toe next year via the steering wheel directly, outfitted so that the new system appears to obey the spirit of the suspension rules.

    Toe change from straight to turns is almost guaranteed.
     
  17. Remy Zero

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    The engineers can work from home for sure. But having a skeleton crew at the factory is just not a good idea. Everyone took things lightly in Europe, and look at the situation now.
     
  18. Bas

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    Life has to go on. Teams are now making ventilators....you really think that's all they're doing?
     
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  19. johnireland

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    I doubt anyone is going to spend money until they know for sure what is going to happen this year and next. I wonder if the "act of God" clauses in the drivers contracts allow the teams not to pay them?
     
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  20. tifosi12

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    I changed my mind. I do think Ferrari will try to copy it. They have so much spare time and they have a slow car, I bet they are rebuilding the thing.

    AFAIK as long as the tub remains the same, you can do that since the time for the crash tests is over (assuming they still do them).
     
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  22. Igor Ound

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  23. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    All eyes will be on DAS this weekend ,will R Bull protest it ,if so would the Stewards agree with the FIA?
     

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