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  1. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Seth- That is one huge park. Must be some good fly fishing in there.
     
  2. intrepidcva11

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    There is, Taz. Writing about size reminds me of the story about the Texan in a bar, braggin' about his State, women more beautiful, Texas the biggest state, etc etc.

    'Nother fellow at the bar says to the Texan, friend, you better check your statistics. I'm from Fairbanks and last time I checked Alaska's size, I calculated that if you cut Alaska in half and made each half a state, Texas would be the third biggest State in the Union!

    Then there's Alaska's coastline. It extends for 6,640 miles, greater than that of all the other states' coastlines combined. If one includes Alaska's islands, it has 33,904 miles of shoreline.
     
  3. brogenville

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    Never believe measures of coastline lengths!

    Technically impossible to measure...


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    Robin, you have no idea what they can do today with lasers and hovering satellites :mad:
     
  5. tazandjan

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    Seth- Cannot resist, what is a hovering satellite?

    Yes, we can make very accurate determinations of coastline lengths now.
     
  6. brogenville

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    How close do you go though? Around each major coastline feature? Down to each major rock? Around each pebble...

    I’m being facetious of course; you can make a practical estimate with sensible bounding of the problem, but these bounds are rarely quoted when the answer is provided.


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    #1283 308 GTB, Apr 26, 2020
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    A geostationary satellite.
     
  9. intrepidcva11

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    ..........just back on the thread to see me bailed out by Barry.

    I was prepared to respond: a hovering satellite is how I occasionally referred to my first wife.
     
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    Geostationary satellites do not hover, but never mind about the orbital mechanics I used to teach. They are a long ways up there, too, at around 19,200 nm.
     
  11. 308 GTB

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    Martian war machines can hover, however...





    They can also put up some sort of electromagnetic covering.
     
  12. 308 GTB

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    ***But are the Martian war machines really hovering? Whether the craft is 10 feet off the ground or 19,200 nm off the ground, it's moving pretty fast to stay over a fixed point on the surface of the earth rotating on its axis.***

    Now, back to the disappearing Maranellos. :)
     
  13. Themaven

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    This is all about semantics.

    Merriam-Webster:

    Hover: Intransitive verb:

    b: to remain suspended over a place or object

    a hummingbird hovering over the flowers
    helicopters hovered above us
    the troll hovered over the Ferrarichat page

    ok I made the last one up

    But isn't the mechanics of creating a hovering device that will elevate ten feet above ground, very different to creating a geostationary satellite? The hummingbird isn't moving, really, whereas the satellite is presumably moving at thousands of miles an hour. And that's not just because it has to move faster to stay in the same spot due to its higher elevation. Both are technically moving to keep up with the earth's rotation, albeit at different speeds. Can anyone clarify?

    Then, back to the Maranellos.
     
  14. Laserguru

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    Actually, not semantics. Inertial Frames of Reference. Hover is a normal person's word, not a Physicist's word. Try looking up inertial frames of reference. You'll figure out that the hummingbird only has a zero velocity vector with respect to the flower it seems to be "hovering" over.
     
  15. AndersJL

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    Can you guys please go back to the disappearing Maranellos ??? I have had enough of this shi…. and I am sure I am not alone stop following this long lost thread….!
     
  16. Themaven

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    Many of us have been making multiple contributions to this thread over the past five years, and reviving it numerous times to ensure it doesn’t die (something I have done personally a few times). The physics of hovering (and the semantics of the word hovering) have added value to some people. But if you wanted to change the direction of the thread back to what it should be, the easiest way would be to post something constructive on topic about Maranellos..over to you!
     
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    Anders, Anders, Anders- Coronavirus ate your sense of humor?

    Darius- The hummingbird is in a system that has its own reference velocity. Easily explained by thinking about jumping up in the air in a train moving at 60 mph or 88 fps. If you were not in the train's reference system, and you stayed up for 1 second when you jumped, you would land 88 feet towards the rear of the train. Obviously, this does not happen. If, however, you were standing on top of a car doing 88 fps and jumped for 1 second duration, you would land 88 ft behind the car because you were not in the car's reference system after jumping. So a spitwad inside a car can move forward easily, but one shot out a window cannot. The reference system for satellites is orbital mechanics in a very low drag environment, with gravity affecting velocity required to stay in orbit. Orbital velocity in low earth orbit is around 25,000 fps, while at Geosynchronous altitude orbital velocity is around 10,000 fps. GEO satellites do not actually stay exactly over one point on Earth, but their groundtrack is a figure 8. The better the insertion parameters and on-station capabilities, the smaller the figure 8.
     
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    #1293 ralfabco, Apr 28, 2020
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    I always wanted a Shark. Never test drove or hitched a ride in any example. Never even sat in a 550. I have been inside of a 288 and F40 and promptly sat inside. At the time the 288 was as new and an incredible buy. In fact, I don’t believe I have ever test driven any special car before purchase.

    I had a marque specialist perform a thorough PPI and compression/leak down. After the PPI I always physically look at the car. Cosmetic expectations are different with each person. I also did not drive my 550 after the PPI. The first drive was after the car was unloaded from the car carrier.
     
  19. intrepidcva11

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    you kind gentlefolk have embellished my poor effort at humor - a hovering satellite is how I occasionally referred to my first wife.

    but then, none of you were ever acquainted with herself

    let's get back to Maranellos, as per Darius.
     
  20. Themaven

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    See, now that was worth knowing. Thanks Taz.

    On the Maranellos, here is an unscientific observation about the market here in Europe. Back in 2012 and 2013 when I was first seriously looking at buying one, there were lots of what looked like very good examples to choose from, particularly 550s. Take your pick.

    In 2014 these were still around but prices started zooming up.

    In 2015, as Seth documented, they disappeared.

    2016-2020, Maranellos slowly came back onto the market. But they were mainly either not great cars, or very overpriced garage queens.

    In the past four years, while there have been plenty of Maranellos around, it would have been quite challenging to find a really good one.

    I absolutely do not check the market for 550s exhaustively, but that's how it seems when I do. Most of the good ones got snapped up and stayed snapped up.

    What does anyone else think?
     
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    That pretty much mirrors my findings. I have found a couple of great cars, both of which were gone before they hit open market. Anything good dissapears into a black hole of lifetime ownership it seems. So pickings are starting to get slimmer.

    When you find a nice driver it's priced as though it's a museum piece.

    When you find a tatty example needing a bit of investment - it's priced as a clean well maintained driver.

    As such much that even makes it to open market has sat around for some time, unless it's appropriately priced, in which case it will often be snapped up quite sharpish.

    We're also living in very strange times which has put much of normal life into some kind of strange stasis. I can't see a great deal changing until we start to approach some form of normality, whenever that may be. What will happen in this new normailty is anyones guess, this is all very uncharted ground. Financially it's unlikely to be particularly attractive in any way shape or form.
     
  22. 308 GTB

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    I just want to know which button Terry pushed to make my Maranello disappear...


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  23. tazandjan

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    Barry- The left red button (colloquially the pickle button) on the stick is the one I used to launch AGM-65D Mavericks, which are anti-vehicle ASMs. The hand control hanging on the far right is what you used to lock on the Maverick. Since this was at night, you asked the aircraft commander to shut his eyes at launch so you did not ruin his night vision from the rocket engine flare.
     
  24. 308 GTB

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    Terry, the instrument panel in the Rockwell Commander 114 is far less complicated and doesn't have any missile launch buttons...


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    And we're staying on topic as we're talking about weapon system controls to make Maranellos disappear.

    :D
     
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  25. tazandjan

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    Barry- Similar, but different. Where is the Mach meter?
     

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