one last observation, my German translation is rubbish, but does that really say the first owner "Sports Car Rentals" ? Image Unavailable, Please Login
they have, i haven't it's just so rare now to find a car with the original boots (let alone the box and spare laces), that they are deemed an non-essential when buying a car. but they are sooooo cool, especially when they are this good......
One of the biggest challenges auction companies now are faced with - because of the Corona virus situation - is that no more physical auctions can take place with prior physical inspection of a car. Never in my life will I buy online a car or any other object of a certain amount and without personal inspection. I wanna see, smell, touch, an object before I bid/buy. Not just on a screen, no matter how big that screen might be and no matter how professional and hi-res those photos might be. I have no idea how auction companies can solve this problem in the next few years. Marcel Massini
also some established online car auctions (in the USA and UK) are starting to sell some very expensive cars, for a massive amount less commision, to both the buyer and seller, there have already been soom big league cars on BaT, I am sure i have even seen some with Marcel's reports in the file. In time we will see more and more major cars go on these platforms. At least you have a week to inspect and do your due diligence and send round an expert to inspect.
Its not just the physical part of the car that cannot be properly evaluated but it’s also the history that cannot be ascertained through looking at the files. It’s like the forthcoming F50 at RM, what is effectively mentioned from delivery in ‘95 to August 2016 is that M Gabel purchased the car. That’s it for most of the life of the car... So what auction companies should do is simple: A. History: If the car does not have a clear and comprehensive history, then commission M Massini to summarize what is known of the car’s history. And attach that instead of repeating bla bla about the car’s model B. Condition: Get a specialist to inspect it objectively and attach that too You simply cannot sell a multi million dollar car without giving such basic due diligence to prospective buyer.
The first and original owner of 103114 was Michael Gabel of Berlin, Germany. This man is personally known to me since about 30 years. The factory Certificate of Origin was issued 28 September 1995. Gabel had it registered on German license plates "B-MG 3". The warranty booklet was issued in the name of S & R Sport- und Rennwagen Ausstellungs- und Vermietungs GmbH in Berlin, Germany. This translates into "S & R Sports- and Racing Cars Exhibition and Rental LLC". In early 1998 Michael Gabel sold it to Carmine Ligato of Bergheim, Germany. I saw the car again 31 May 1998 at the Auto Becker Concours d'Elégance in Düsseldorf, now on German dealer license plates of Bergheim "BM-06611" with Ligato. In 1999 this F50 was confiscated by the German Financial Authorities (IRS) and sold 20 March 1999 at public auction to E. B. in Cologne, Germany, who paid 690'000 German Marks. In March 2017 the car was exported to USA. In August 2018 this F50 failed to sell at Mecum's auction in Monterey. Marcel Massini
Thank for the detailed observations. Because the CF yellowing is so rampant (interior as well as you point out), is it possibly due to early production quality or perhaps excessive UV sun exposure? Sent from my 16M
There are 20 (twenty) F50 chassis numbers before 103114 (earlier/lower than 103114). If one goes by chassis number sequence only. 103114 is 002/349 of the normal production run. Build start was 7 July 1995. Completion date was 26 September 1995. Engine #40151. Gearbox #108. Body #2. Marcel Massini
Well, now a bit of the history is revealed (thanks to M Massini): 1. For the first 4 years of its life the car had 3 owners (‘95 to ‘99) 2. Confiscated by German Authorities in ‘98; failed to sell at auction in ‘18; for sale at dealer since Dec ‘18 Transparency is important when selling cars (auctions as well as dealers) as it tells what is and thereby help prospective buyers to form a fair judgment and on that their bidding follows. It should not be done through a chat forum with detective work by 275GTB or pro bono release of information by M Massini
IIRC I believe the center piece of the air intake plenum is a double-layered stressed member as you can see by it's form, so it tends to not yellow whereas the plenum chambers on either side tend to do so, as I've witnessed in a number of F50s. I haven't personally inspected this early F50, but it appears to me that it has a more yellowed composite material throughout the car, I recall Classiche Director John Amette telling me that Ferrari SpA used multiple composite materials suppliers for the F40 and F50 had and as a result, the finish and tint of the material varied across the production range, I've no proof that's the case here, but it's a possibility. I think this may well be the case.
Hi, during the life of F50 production, certain composite sections of the car were outsourced to ATR and Monfrini, the cars I have looked at (early through to late production) have panels from both suppliers. Ferrari also done some in house composites, then other smaller parts, like the carbon seats were outsourced to several smaller producers, but they were never acknowledged and carried no identifying marks. In the auction car, up front the carbon luggage holder and upper bulkhead cover panel have retained a nice finish, the inner door panels are nice, and the lower dash panel has not completely "yellowed", but it is starting around the steering column area. It is not unreasonable to assume that they were all manufactured by a different supplier using a different process. Again with it being a very early car, processes like this would still be changing and being refined throughtout production.
Here's 103992 which we also sold to Apple SVP Eddy C to complete the first 4 Ferrari Supercars. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
That was November 2016. It was originally owned by Guy de la Liberté, CEO of the Cirque du Soleil Show in Las Vegas, NV. Also a former poker game fanatic. Marcel Massini
don't know how many have noticed this before.... In Joe's picture above you can really see the difference between the US F50 bumper and the Euro version.... first picture US spec - then Euro spec........ Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Personally, I always preferred the US spec better. The front bumper, in particular, has a more menacing look.
just my personal preference, Euro all the way - cleaner lines, clear indicators, no side markers, the seat belt arrangement, the seats, no rear centre brake light, different exhaust helps breathing - similar characteristics with all the big F cars. I like them made the way they were designed. ignite, wait for the backlash
I remember seeing it at Ferrari Beverly Hills where it was stored. This has been discussed before in the F50 thread. Agreed, a lot more aggressive nose. No backlash necessary, they are both cool in different ways, the USA features are nicely integrated, I actually prefer the USA car without the little circular turn-signal light in the front fenders, and the USA car has some cool features especially the nose as mentioned above, plus the USA cars are uber-rare with just 55 Tipo USA cars produced, one can have both a Euro F50 and a USA F50 to appreciate them both, as a client of mine does.
We have recently spent a good amount of time studying and restoring Carbon Fiber. Many of the 1990s Supercars unfortunately have "yellowed" Carbon Fiber, this is due to the breakdown of the resin when exposed to UV. I have noticed that certain cars are no affected, and some are... regardless of the mileage! The second photo of the F50 engine as illustrated, has been restored. Technically? The restoration of the Carbon Fiber in the F50 in the second photo is not correct. The original Carbon Fiber was not glossy, rather a semi-gloss sheen. Restoration, is an intensive and expensive process but possible. Our cost to redo the interior and engine Carbon Fiber components of F50 is around $30-40k depending upon how bad the resin has been affected.
Hi I can personally assure you the second photo of the F50 engine as illustrated, has been NEVER been restored. I personally look after that car for the owner, who is a fastidious collector. There has been a lot of work, time and patience gone into making that engine bay and the rest of the car look that good - but it's all cleaning and preservation - absolutely never been restored, nor has any of the rest of the car ever been restored. The exterior of the wheel arch liners, the door cards, centre console, and lower dash panel are all a shiny finish - as are many parts in the front compartment. Some more shiny than others, and the studio shot photos make it all look very shiny, in reality the arches are a little duller, but all other parts as as you see them. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
