599 or California??

Hotbmwm3 your right , a california is a perfect choice if you arent a speed maniac , but you can feel the acceleration , it takes the breathe away every flatout , even that it isnt faster than a cayenne turbo ( and it isn a sport car ) you can feel the speed a lot in the cali, the roof is a very good thing because the car is a little bit claustrophobic with roof down and you can feel the heat of the engine , also the fuel economy is very very good . And the most important ( I cant belive I am saying this) it is very comfortable in comfort mode , after testdriving a gallardo the california feelt like heaven

 

Cayenne turbo 0-60 is 4.3s, California is just under 4.0s.

 

I know I know , but keep in mind that it is a v8 biturbo ( mine is 600 hp and 850nm of torque ) I am not saying that my cayenne is faster than a california thets dump , but a 850 awd feels very fast it is like drive a spaceship , a big problem with my cayenne and california is the automatic gearbox if you want to be the fastest car on the highway you have to drive it with semiautomatic because the gearbox switches to 7th and 6th even if you are driving at 100 kmh , I heard that 2014 california will be a biturbo .. Maybe like the new quatroporte

 

A cayenne turbo kills a California in acceleration from anything other than standing start

0-60 mph times do not accurately reflect how the car performs in the real world

In gear acceleration, from a rolling start, is the true measure of real world acceleration

Just as the weight to power is much more relevant than purely a dynamometer test

My Cali is 30hp lower than Ferraris claim when tested on a Dyno in Europe

My car is significantly heavier than the press launch claims and down in power by a significant amount

If I was a gear head that cared about acceleration I would be pissed at Ferrari

 

True. I will say, however, that in the real world, most anything short of drag racing doesn't matter much. I regularly go on spirited drives (often VERY spirited) with other owners, often with 458s, 430s and Scuderias in the mix, and never have any trouble keeping up, even in turns.

 

True dat!

8^)

SV

 

I think Ferrari did make a mistake by underestimating the demand for performance by prospective owners.

Ferrari could have certainly made the California faster with a little more discplacement same as 458, and a little less weight with some carbon fiber.

Why didn't they?

Although I am not sure, what I believe is that Ferrari were pre-occupied with some preconcieved hierarchy between the models.

They didnt want the everyday Cali to beat the 430 or the 612.
Ferrari should have given us the best Cali even if it would have been faster!

Ferrari would have had waiting lists for 6 month with a Cali that did 0-60 in 3.7

 

I think you answered your own question. Why would people buy a 458 if the Cali was just as fast and cost less? Think marketing.

 

Yes but in 2014 we will have again a twin turbo california which will be a 458 killer but again we will have a 458 scuderia or a replacement ... I wont be able to afford it so I am sticking to 599(ecu remap & exhaust) for 4 years

 

I think the California was detuned by 30-50 HP so that when it was released it wouldn't be a competitor to the 430

The lack of attention to weight I think was more cost related

I don't think consumers look at vehicle weight pre purchase as a primary driver like they do power

But weight is very important.

I'm aware of the use of aluminium, but cars with electric memory seats are about 1950kg. That's a lot more than the launch press cars with carbon sports seats.

 

ferrari california still remains a very good everyday ferrari , and I italy you can get it at 180,000 thats a lot lower than the 458 and 599 ... but did anyone here try to tune it ?

 

Mine is tuned, it picked up about 35hp on the Dyno over stock, I also have the exhaust changed on the mannetto

 

bmwm3 thats aweasome , cong, for your tuned cali. do you have any performance number , or please without risking your life can you do a 0- video , there arent proper ones youtube , you cant find a deacent one , have you raced a f430 ?

 

I have a video of the Dyno run and some photos of the car on the Dyno

I need someone to hide the number plate before I can post them though, if anyone wants to private message me I can email them the raw file

The engine tuning was done at Easter on the continent, in addition to the extra power I am getting about 80-100 km more travelled every tank when cruising at motorway speeds

No one here (except two hardcore tinkerers) really seemed interested when I had the reprogramming done for the exhaust so I haven't bothered to post about it until someone asked

When the video is ready I will post a write up about it and the Dyno graph

I have a great unit to do the video that you suggest, it's a

http://www.videovbox.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49

And it produces in gear and standing start acceleration testing like this

http://www.videovbox.co.uk/index.php/en/news/135-what-performance-gains-will-a-remap-give-my-car-we-give-it-a-go-and-test-the-results-using-video-vbox.html

I'm going to get around to doing a video like that

My mate has an Audi R8 V8 and I can take a video of that accelerating against the cali as well

 

... Thats very very good , it will be a succes on youtube because there arent any performance videos , that option auto 0-300 really suck,, When I rented the california they told me that the car is equaly fast with roof down and up ? ... I noticed it to that nobody cares about performance numbers here , but I wanna care about performance numbers I dont want to be beaten by a stupid f with a nissan or honda ,,, I wish I never had this addiction to ferrari ,, a 997 turbo spi750 sound very tempting , but again it isnt a ferrari

 

My girlfriend had a california t. I was mortified to be seen in it. I have a 599 hgte maybe it's a few years older etc. But it's a real car. A scary car. A hot and a challenge to drive. The california was like a 6 series bmw at best. I preferred my aston vantage or my Maserati grand turismo all day long. It just seemed very feminine and the turbos were not as fun as my 911 turbo s. Just wrong, the california.

 

Second: the structural rigidity and weight go down in a cabriolet. I didn't buy a ferrari not to drive it hard. As Enzo said- I sell you an engine, the rest i throw in for free. If you want to showboat in a convertible, maybe a rolls royce or a boxster is better suited to you. v12 muscle and terror thank you very much..

 

Well, one is a pure bred V12 Ferrari, the other is a V8 that for all intended purposes lack power. If you like the 599, that's a no-brainer. Get the 599.

Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app

 

You were mortified to be seen in a Cali? That is incredibly shallow and silly, especially coming from a guy who drives a 911 Turbo S. That 911 is just as much of a soft Beverly Hills hausfrau appliance as the Cali is.
If a Cali is all it takes to hurt your ego and vanity, I strongly suggest that you get your priorities sorted out.

Sent from my SM-G930F using FerrariChat.com mobile app

 

Ya got a point about the turbo s. No hard feelings you may be right..