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Lost all gear oil today, 1991 Testarossa

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  1. Shamile

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    Not for the halfshaft...ignore my last post.

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  2. PA32Pilot

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    These are for the differential casing :)
     
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    #478 turbo-joe, May 14, 2020
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    I ordered ATP screws. they match and have 12.9, also with a little shaft like the original and not with a complete thread. I think ( not sure ) they are the same as those for toyota flywheel. but have to oder 2 sets. 1 set are only 8 screws.
    they have under the hex also a small ring, so you not can use the locking tabs
    sorry have not the parts number here :(

    can not use anymore. you may drill a whole in all heads and use safety wire


    M 10 x 1,25 with a hex head is not DIN and only as allen head available. except some car manufacturers have others.

    here a drawing when I needed
    sorry, writing in german because I send to several distributors
     

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  4. PA32Pilot

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    Have a new 4 Post Lift scheduled for delivery Tuesday and my Newman differential is scheduled for delivery Thursday. I will get the car pushed out and assemble the lift and find a way to push the car onto the lift. Will make reassembly a little more comfortable.
     
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    Can the experts make a list of components that we need to get in order to change the differential as a preventive measure not a repair??
    Differential
    Shims?
    Bolts?
    Like a Differential exchange kit so we can have it in hand when our engine out services are due
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    Black oxide is fine
     
  7. PA32Pilot

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    I have an excel sheet of everything with part numbers, quantity needed and price. Also where I purchased it
     
  8. PA32Pilot

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    So I bought a NOS Quill Shaft and the seller just reached out to me and he noticed a slight glaze of grease on the gears and since he says it is NOS but it has grease on the gears he is going to refund me 50%. Well hot damn I can't say no to that!
     
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    This thread reminds me of why I am apart of forums...love the help and support way to go OP.

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  10. PA32Pilot

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    Here is my running excel sheet if anyone wants it.
     

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    U already a veteran on here! Awesome stuff!


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  12. Newman

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    Werll Im making another batch if anyone needs one. They'll be ready in 5 weeks.
     
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  13. PA32Pilot

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    Speaking with Brian, RifleDriver, he is adamant I can’t complete this without dropping the engine. He’s the guru and there are a lot of smarter people with a lot more experience than me.

    I don’t want a bandaid, I want it done right. If I can’t do this job correctly without dropping the motor then I need to know. But if it can be done I want to continue.

    Brian doesn’t think you can properly adjust gear pattern or carrier bearing preload.

    Hoping to spark a debate and conversation with those more knowledgeable than I if this can be done.
     
  14. PA32Pilot

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    I’ll post on the Facebook group. Think my post scared some straight.
     
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    Well like I mentioned to you in conversation there is an oil pump in the gearbox that runs as long as the engine is running. If it was at my shop the only way is to take it completely apart otherwise take it somewhere else. You could even find the front ring nuts are getting loose on both the main and output shaft - that happens, Ive seen it. The nuts get replaced and loctite blue is used so I know they wont come loose again and my pinion depth wont change and my shifter wont lunge back and forth. So the question is did the pump move some debris around? How do you know if you don't check? Setting up the diff wouldn't be impossible in place but it sure wouldn't be fun or easy. I don't know when the major service was done but if the engine is out you start fresh at the beginning of your ownership and there's no doubt in my mind you'll find other things to do once you get poking around.
     
  16. Newman

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    And the oil pump feeds oil through the shafts to lube the needle bearings from inside and additionally has little oil jets that shoot oil onto the gears from the side. Personally I think the jets are redundant and plug easily despite a pickup screen. Either way, the right way is out of the car, side cover off where the front engine mount attaches and the front cover removed for inspection and go from there.
     
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    Engine out was done less than 2 years ago.

    Wasn’t all that stuff checked at the last engine out? That normal maintenance during engine out?

    I drained front oil and it was clean, magnetic plug didn’t have any debris on it and I put an adjustable magnet in their fishing around and didn’t get anything.

    Not against doing an engine oil but that’s going to turn my sub $5k into a $20k service. I’m anal, I am going to fix everything and even things that don’t need to be fixed.

    Every year planes go through annuals where are disassembled and inspected. I always find things to fix that don’t need it and I know this would turn into that also.

    If I can do that in 2 years or so I’d feel less rushed.
     
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    I drilled and safety wired mine.
     
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  19. turbo-joe

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    brian is right, much easier when the engine is out
    but also poosible to do all when the engine is in, but a little more complicated.

    good question ;) but as jamie has written nearly no debris on the front drain plug - so I would go on now with engine in. sure there would be a little risk not to check all, but when you like to check all then you also just rebuilt the complete gearbox with new bearings with more than 70.000 miles on. if those 2 nuts at the main shaft or the pinion shaft will get loose you feel it by shifting not right anymore. but I think that this before has been all ok.if the car would be repaired at a garage then the garage owner is responsible even for things he not repaired and they would fail later ( so it is law in germany :( ), but jamie is doing all by himself and so I would not care just now about additional things to do.

    you not remove the oilpump cover for the gearbox during a major service, only when something is leaking or not ok.
     
  20. PA32Pilot

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    #495 PA32Pilot, May 14, 2020
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    Can’t really do anything until parts arrive so I bought 2qts of Mobile 1 and hooked it to a sprayed and tried to rinse the front oil sump area as best I could from the drain plug an 2 access holes.

    No debris came out and I could only find very small particles of non metallic metal. I think it is pieces of the side cover. Nothing I would disassemble an engine for. All oil was drained through a cloth screen, still has some oil draining through so tomorrow I’ll see what’s left on the cloth.

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  21. PA32Pilot

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    That’s my line of thinking because I know me. I’m not going to open up the gearbox and not rebuild the whole thing. If I pull the motor it’ll be a 6 month project and good as new.

    My mom is having some health issues right now and I really want her to enjoy the car a few years. I’d need to feel safe with her taking off on a 200 mile trip down the coast or to Vegas without worrying about the transmission blowing and stranding her. The next 2 years is what the car was bought for, I really don’t want to waste a 1/4 of it with the car disassembled.

    Next engine out I planned on going through it all with a fine tooth comb. But if I can’t find a reason that it needs to be done now I don’t want to disassemble it and go ons fishing expedition.
     
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  22. turbo-joe

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    aluminum is also metal ;)
    you mean for sure: non magnetic metal?
     
  23. PA32Pilot

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    Sorry yes. Non magnetic. Had a brain fart
     
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    You must use blue lock tight on crown bolts? Also is the quill shaft always replaced when performing this diff change? Or only if it becomes damaged? Is the ring and pinion also a big weak point that you have to worry about?
     
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    I am going to use blue loctite and see if I can safety wire the bolts.

    Shaft does not have to be replaced. I am doing it as peace of mi d only.

    R&P is at danger when diff goes due to debris.
     
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