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  1. Gossimer

    Gossimer Rookie

    May 5, 2013
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    Melbourne, FL
    I need a little help.

    I am not getting fuel out of the fuel injectors. The car hasn't run in a couple years. I have replaced: fuel pump, fuel filter, fuel accumulator, fuel injectors and also tried adjusting mixture screw. When I disconnect a fuel injector and push down the pressure plate, fuel comes out of the fuel line, but if I put a fuel injector on the, place it in a bottle and press down on the pressure plate, no fuel is squirted from the injector, fuel injectors are new and all tested good. Any ideas what could be the issue?
     
  2. yelcab

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    Measure your control pressure first.
     
  3. Qavion

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    #3 Qavion, Jun 2, 2020
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    If the pressure is good at the rails, do you have 12 volts dc at the injectors? Are both banks affected? Put your voltmeter red probe on the power pin and the black probe on a suitable engine earthing point.

    I don't have a wiring diagram for the Mondial (T?), but normally injector relay/s provide power to the injectors and the ECU/s provide an earth to individual injectors.
     
  4. johnk...

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    I believe he has a Mondial with CSI. No fuel rails. The key is "press down on the pressure plate".
     
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  5. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    Looks like you are short of pressure- you have flow with no injector but not enough when you fit it. If i remember correctly i think there is a non return valve in the outlet line of the pump
     
  6. yelcab

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    Ian, from what he was describing, it looks like a CIS system so there is no injector wirings.
     
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  7. Qavion

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    Thanks, guys, this car is older than I thought.
     
  8. conan

    conan Formula Junior

    Nov 13, 2011
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    It is almost only mechanics .. so measure system pressure and control pressure by inserting a valve and gauge between distributor and warmup regulator. I found it easier to disconnect at the wur side.

    System pressure when valve is closed 5 bar approx when fuel pump is running. Then open valve and check that control pressure rises slowly as the heating element in the wur warms up.
     
  9. Gossimer

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    May 5, 2013
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    Melbourne, FL
    System pressure is really high. My guage only goes to 10 bar, but it is pegged out. I guess that means something is wrong with the fuel distributer, something plugged? Not allowing fuel to pass resulting in the high pressure, but I don't really know, think I am pretty much just guessing. Any ideas?
     
  10. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes, on the K-Jets, the fuel pressure regulator is part of the fuel distributor so has to be something bad there or something like the return line to the tank is blocked. Long disuse is never good for CIS as there are a bunch of very small clearances/orifices/fits so getting it refreshed won't be a waste. Larry Fletcher at CIS FlowTech in Alabama is the US rebuilder (i.e., many places may advertise rebuilding CIS components, but most are just sending them to Larry). Best to call him or send him a text (email, or even his website contact form, isn't a priority).
     
  11. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

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    Disconnect the return line to the tank and rig up a hose to a container , see if you get any flow and a drop in your pressure
     
  12. conan

    conan Formula Junior

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    The pressure regulator can be checked next by unscrewing it from the FD. Fig 12 D14 page in the Mondial WSM.

    Of course, it needs to be set to correct pressure then, but that should be easy using the gauge.

    Are you sure the gauge reading is ok? You might want to verify it with an air compressor set at 5 bar and some white spirit in the lines to the gauge.

    Caution of course use eye protection and no open flames or sparks ...
     
  13. spicedriver

    spicedriver F1 Rookie

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    It sound like your fuel distributor is clogged with varnish from old dried out fuel. I would first make sure that your fuel tanks are flushed out, and you have a new fuel filter installed. Varnish will tend to collect in the fuel filter.

    The best thing I've found to remove the varnish is Techron. Fill up the fuel distributor, and all fuel lines with pure Techron, and let that sit in there for a couple of days. That should help clean out the system.
     
  14. Gossimer

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    May 5, 2013
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    Melbourne, FL
    I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for helping with this issue. I ended up sending the fuel distributor to Larry at cis flowtech to be rebuilt.
     

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