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SilverstoneGP 2020 Pre-race thread

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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Liberty makes hay while the sun shines.
     
  2. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Yeah, I get that and ultimately it benefits the teams once they reach 15 GPs.

    Twice the same track is not that great (see Spielberg) but three times is really a bore. I hope at least one of those 3 will be a rained out GP.
     
  3. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    We almost had a Silverstone World Championship !!!


    Silverstone offered to host 12 F1 races in 2020

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/silverstone-12-races-british-gp/4844108/?ic_source=home-page-widget&ic_medium=widget&ic_campaign=widget-22
     
  4. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Mixed qualy and dry race. Good forecast conditions.
     
  5. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Formula 1 is monitoring Spain's coronavirus situation following a spike in cases, amid concerns about the country's grand prix.

    F1, along with other elite sports, has an exemption from the UK government's newly imposed 14-day quarantine on all travellers returning from Spain.

    That means the race can still go ahead on 14 August in current circumstances.

    But F1 bosses will not take risks with the health of participants and are watching developments closely.

    Spain is taking new measures to cut a spike in Covid-19 cases amid fears of a more widespread 'second wave'.

    Catalonia, the state that hosts the Spanish Grand Prix, has closed its nightlife for two weeks, but cities outside the north-eastern region are also seeing a surge.

    F1 and governing body the FIA feel that the race can still go ahead if the situation does not markedly worsen, BBC Sport understands.

    However, if the spikes increase significantly, then they may need to reconsider whether holding the race would be safe.
     
  6. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    ****ing hell I despise this prick.

    It's not Mercedes fault that they influenced the rules? It's not Mercedes fault that their dog punishes everyone that finally allows them to challenge the Mercs?

    Not a walk in the park. This guy really does live on a different planet. With more than a second a lap over it's nearest rivals, how can it NOT be a walk in the park? What an ass.
     
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  7. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150857/fia-explains-how-honda-worked-through-f1-lockdown - Something to read before the race weekend!


    When Honda introduced an engine upgrade for Formula 1's season-opening Austrian Grand Prix, it raised a few eyebrows about just how the Japanese manufacturer had been able to do it.

    After all, rivals Ferrari, Renault and Mercedes had all spent the weeks before the start of the season in enforced shutdown because of the coronavirus pandemic situation in Europe.

    Their hands had effectively been tied on improving their engines while Japan, whose country had escaped lockdown at that time, was able to keep on working.

    Indeed, Ferrari team principal Mattia Binotto openly pointed out in Hungary that upgrades his team had been looking at making had been stopped in their tracks by lockdowns that had not been applied to everyone.

    In a clear reference to what Honda had been able to do, he said: "We were doing developments for this season that we will not be able to introduce during [the season] itself because we had a long shutdown period before the start of the season, which has not been the case for other power unit manufacturers by the way."

    While there is no denying Honda was able to work when others could not, the crux of the matter is whether or not the Japanese manufacturer gained an advantage from the situation.

    Here we look at what happened, and explain how the situation came about actually because of attempts to be fair to everybody.

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    Delayed lockdown
    Nikolas Tombazis, the head of the FIA's single seater matters, says that one of the key considerations made during the coronavirus cost cutting drive was to ensure that no team nor manufacturer be punished because their country's lockdown restrictions were stricter than someone else's.

    That required some juggling of how to deal with companies spread across a host of nations and continents. Some compromises were inevitable because of that.

    One consequence was in allowing Honda to work in the spring period because of the likelihood that Japan could be shut down over the summer. It was agreed that rather than taking its enforced shutdown period at the same time as everyone else, Honda would delay downing tools until the season was underway.

    "The shutdown for Honda was a bit different to the shutdown for the rest of the manufacturers," explained Tombazis. "Not in terms of duration, but in terms of when it happened.

    "The reason for that was that all teams and all power unit manufacturers accepted that during this extraordinary condition with the lockdown, no team or manufacturer would get added lockdown compared to others just because they happened to be in a particular country which was worse hit by COVID and therefore happened to be at a disadvantage.

    "That was mainly relevant for example when Italy went in to early lockdown and the UK were behind. We said all the lockdowns had to be equal: there cannot be a team or a manufacturer that has an advantage or disadvantage from them."

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    The push to be treat everyone equally meant that if Honda been ordered to join the others and shut down in the pre-season period, then there would have been a huge headache if the Japanese government had later ordered it to stop work in the summer.

    The only option then would have been to force Renault, Ferrari and Mercedes to also stop work during that period - effectively reducing everyone's development time. That would not have been a good outcome.

    It was perfectly logical, therefore, that Honda be allowed to run its lockdown in the summer instead.

    "Japan had a completely different evolution of COVID and the lockdown situation," added Tombazis. "We didn't know when we agreed these rules in early April whether Japan would have a lockdown in the summer, depending on how COVID evolved in Japan. So we had to give some flexibility for Honda to have the shutdown a bit later.

    "If there had a legal requirement to go into lockdown in July in Japan, [it would have been hard] then go back to the European teams and say, by the way we need to lock you down another month because Japan is locking down.

    "That's why Honda were able to do some work while the Europeans were in lockdown and they are making up for this now.

    "It's not perfect because you can't produce a regulation which is perfectly equitable when people are in different circumstances. But that's the best we could do with it."

    The other important point to consider is that the Honda upgrade introduced in Austria was not about delivering extra horsepower to try to lift Red Bull and AlphaTauri up the grid. Instead, it was one motivated by improving reliability.

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    Tombazis confirms that restrictions that prevented manufacturers from making performance gains after their engines were homologated in February were fully respected.

    "There were two main cost cutting things achieved on the power unit side," he said. "One was the introduction of dyno limitations as to how many dyno hours they can do, that is similar to the restrictions in aerodynamics with windtunnels.

    "And the other one is the reduction in the number of homologations that power unit manufacturers can do. On that basis, none of the manufacturers did a new homologation, or any significant upgrade.

    "The entrants were homologated in the homologation dossier for 2020. It was sent sometime in February, and none of them, not Honda either, did any any performance development of that.

    "Now, a number of people wanted to do reliability improvements with engines because, you know, we don't want to mean with this homologation that people who have a reliability issue are having retirements.

    "There's a very specific process to get the reliability upgrades approved, which involves even other manufacturers knowing about it.

    "You can't exploit it and say you are making a reliability change, but in the meantime change your compression ratio, your combustion chamber or whatever, to get another 20 kilowatts or something like that. There's a process for that and all teams including Honda have followed that process."

    The end result seems straightforward then. Honda simply was able to do reliability work earlier in the year, but others now have time to catch up.

    So this was not about exploiting the rules for an unfair edge. It was instead a quirk of extraordinary circumstances that F1 hopes will never be repeated.

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  8. Giallo 550

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    Yeah, **** that guy.
     
  9. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Looks like they have an exemption
     
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  10. Etcetera

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    I wonder who is going to win. All this tension is making for an incredible season.
     
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  11. Dilusha

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    Silverstone's going to be so much worse than Hungary. I can't even imagine where we'd end up. I think anywhere from P7 to P12 or worse.
     
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  12. 635CSI

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    Can’t say I have ever been less excited about a forthcoming GP
     
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  13. DF1

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    With false news world and idiocy about basic science and hygiene all over the media - IM H A P P Y to see F1 live! GO UK GP's! Go Norris - Go Charles, GO BOTTAS!
     
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  14. DF1

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    So how long before Albon is gone............

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150887/albon-gets-new-engineer-in-red-bull-technical-shuffle

    Red Bull has shuffled its Formula 1 technical team, with the experienced Simon Rennie returning to trackside action from this weekend's British Grand Prix as Alex Albon's new race engineer.

    Rennie is best known for working with Mark Webber in his final 2013 campaign and with Daniel Ricciardo between 2014 and 2018 as the Australian developed into a race winner.

    He elected to take a factory role after that, and his desire to step back played a part in Ricciardo's decision to leave the team at the end of that year and join Renault.

    Following Albon's challenging start to the 2020 season, which included failing to make Q3 for the Hungarian Grand Prix, Red Bull has elected to bring Rennie back into its trackside set-up to assist the second-year Thai driver.

    Albon's previous race engineer, Mike Lugg, will remain with Red Bull but take a factory role from now on.
     
  15. Dilusha

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    Since Silverstone's all about more straights and less corners, I suggest Ferrari to use the incredibly quick SF90 stradale instead. :p

     
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  16. jgonzalesm6

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  17. tifosi12

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    Who is making all these event posters with a Ferrari? What ever happened to all the other teams, several of them currently more successful?
     
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  18. DeSoto

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    Those posters are made by Ferrari. What car did you expect to see?
     
  19. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Ah, ok, that explains it. I thought they were the official event posters.
     
  20. A348W

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    Give me a break!!! And Ferrari’s secret engine cheating deal with the FIA last year....?

    Just face it, merc have the right management construct, the right people in the right jobs with the right ethos...and Ferrari doesn’t.
     
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  21. Giallo 550

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    Yeah! You tell him, and don't forget, because this part is REALLY important:

    They also had the right head start to help facilitate this! That's another thing Ferrari didn't have!

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ecclestone-mercedes-head-started-as-they-knew-a-bit-more/517030/

    Oh wait... That would mean that it was never a level playing field to begin with when this formula was first determined...
     
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  22. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Correct !!

    Dwelling on sorrows and excuses some tifosi are bad losers, it seems..
     

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