The FIA documents say that Mercedes delivered designs and all paper work to RP for those brake ducts. Are they still gonna stick to their childish lie about designing their own parts based on photos.
Well, technically speaking Racing Point did'nt lie because look at the statement " We designed our car from photos of the W10". There's a grey area to that statement. It's a general statement instead of being specific.
Here's a better summary of why Racing Point didn't get disqualified, but I also think a dangerous precedent might have been set that will be challenged by other teams. RP believed it was compliant, but a competitive advantage has been gained that can be used all season. Image Unavailable, Please Login
So they can finish this season with "illegal" parts, is that right? That would make this decision even more dodgy, IMO.
In fact, tRacing Point had actual brake ducts purchased from Merc last year as noted by Andy Green in this earlier Autosport story. I don’t understand if they reused those again this year or updated them. Were they 2018 or 2019 design? Probably 2019 as they were not listed parts last year, so basically they didn’t need to “copy” last year’s design for the brake ducts as they already had them in hand. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150990/racing-point-brake-duct-hearing-set-for-next-week So Tombazis and FIA gave the all-clear without proper understanding of their own rules. I guess they were too busy helping Merc make a case for their DAS. Hopefully RBR protest Merc again with other stewards following the outcome of this protest.
Furthermore, Renault should demand that the tRP bodywork and floor get scanned and compare this to the 3D surface data of the Merc from last year. If the results show profile variations within .020 to .030, this would confirm that the surfaces were provided to tRP and not “copied” from pictures.
Yes, I know it was legal then. Was just pointing out how RP's claim about making everything based on photos was a lie; well I'm sure Mercedes gave photos to go with those designs. They tried to hide the direct Merc connection, probably fearing what eventually transpired anyway (a protest and a punishment).
It's an absurd. Williams, Haas, Sauber, etc., invest a ton of money in development with the hope to conquer championship points that will help them increase their share on the F1 money cake. Pink Mercedes is LITERALLY stealing this money from them.
Nobody here claiming to be expert, just trying to understand how a team can copy another team’s car so exactly without the cooperation of the owner of the original design. Since this is difficult to prove and Renault (who ARE experts on brake ducts) protested specifically the brake ducts, we’re all looking to the outcome of the protest as confirmation of our suspicions.
As expected they did not dock points from the drivers. And RP is capable of getting the 15 points back over Renault in the coming races. They might even go for Ferrari, we'll see. And RP has the option to go against the ruling but hopefully we can bury this topic now once and for all.
The FIA have plans to thwart this "copying" to go into effect in 2021. There are parts on an F1 car that are LISTED and other parts that are NOT LISTED.
Look, guys, I hate to miss a chance of trashing Toto, but I don´t think there is really a case about the ducts: they didn´t need that Mercedes told them how they are because they already had them. I´d even say that the penalty was harsh. For me the issue are not the ducts but the rest of the car. If I remove my tin foil hat for a moment, I´ll be tempted to say that all this was an arrangement: "hey, Cyril, please, don´t protest the car, just protest a single part and we´ll delete some points to put them behind you".
Saw that interview, what an arrogant piece of sh*t. I'm sure his comments have nothing to do with his shares on Aston Martin. The guy is trying to get stranglehold on the whole F1, he thinks it should be his rules everyone plays by.
Renault considering appeal over Racing Point F1 brake duct penalty https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/151153/renault-considering-appeal-over-racing-point-penalty "Just to put things in perspective any team will be spending 20% of its aerodynamic time into developing those parts. It's not small parts." Abiteboul stressed that there was also a bigger picture to consider of the wider subject of copying, and he said Renault welcomed today's pledge by the FIA's head of single-seater technical matters Nikolas Tombazis to maintain tighter controls in the future. "I think we need to recognise that what Racing Point has done, based on a car that has such an advantage against anyone else on the grid, has been a shock in the system, and has been a disruption," Abiteboul said. "We need to see how we deal with it. Yes, copying has been part of the story of F1. But technology has evolved so much, that it's now possible to do things that were not possible to do before. "The regulatory framework needs to evolve with the technologies that allow you to do some stuff that were not possible before with a level of accuracy that was not possible before. "And we've been pleased with the statement from Nikolas Tombazis this morning, in parallel to the stewards, about his willingness to tackle that matter and to tackle it strongly. But we need to understand exactly what was behind that statement."