812 VS Rumors

No reason to launch the SF90S, the coupe isn't even being delivered yet, so that can wait...

The FUV will be 2022 I suspect, not yet close...

 

They must indroduce the 812VS as soon as they can as they stopped the 812S production and need something on the 812 V12 production line, not only the 812GTS.

The Portofino restyling is not a new car: it's mainly an electronic/software upgrade (Roma electronic dashboard and so on): this model must start production together with Roma, so very soon.

The SF90 cabriolet? Probable, but they didn't start the SF90 coupè deliveries yet...

ciao

 

Ive repeatedly been told the next two cars to be introduced is the SF90 Spider and the refreshed Portofino.

 

I don't understand your logic here. It seems that they can switch to 812GTS only and maximise production of that car. There is no indication that the rate of production of the GTS will be lower than 812SF. Why do they need something else on the line?

 

The updated/refreshed Portofino will be presented in September 2020.

Marcel Massini

 

Talked to my dealer and he said 2022 will be something different in the 812, but he didn't know what. I can wait!!

 

This wouldn't fall in line with the predicted GTS production of between 1k-1400 cars spread out over 2 years. They'd still have lots of production capacity even if they did 1400 GTS deliveries.

 

Not really. Elkann was their boss. He just replaced Montezemelo with Marchionne.

 

Who says they will only do 1000-1400 812GTS? Wishful thinking if you ask me.

 

My dealer and people way more in the know than me on this forum. Wishful thinking because it is too low or too high?

 

V12 production capacity, in a regular year appears to be around 2200, based on Ferrari's annual report.

If each of the 180 authorized dealers
https://corporate.ferrari.com/en/about-us/glance

receives 16 total allocations, that would be 2880 cars made over 2 years, leaving "room" for more than 1500 additional V12s...(16 is a real number for some dealers, some more, some less, could be a realistic average)

With the Monza nearly done and the 812SF also nearly done (some countries can still order, but allocations are rare), that leaves the production line more than 30% idle, so the sooner that 812VS enters production the better to keep the production line busy.

And I presume the 812VS will be time-limited instead of numbered.

 

Makes total sense to me.. Port then SF90 spider later.

 

This is what I've been told as well.

 

Could be possible that Ferrari presents both SF90 Spider and Portofino facelift at the same time and same event, as they did last year with the 812 GTS and F8 Spider.

That would give more space for a dedicated event for the 812 VS a few months after.

 

Firstly, the Monza is far from done, they have only delivered 80 cars out of a max of 499 upt Q1 2020:

https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2020/05/04/ferrari-nv-race-q1-2020-earnings-call-transcript.aspx

It's also being built on a separate special line, so probably less relevant to production V12

Secondly, there is no longer a V12 line as such as you now see Portofinos etc being built upstairs on the old V12 line, so its much more flexible, there may no such thing as excess V12 capacity.

Thirdly, why wouldn't they just make a simple switch to 812GTS from 812SF one-for-one, and pump out as many as they can for as long as there is demand?

All I am saying is Ferrari can do VS and GTS simultaneously, but it doesn't have to like you and @Albert-LP as saying. And for the accountants, doing as many GTS as quickly as possible would probably make more sense.

So in my mind, this is not a reason for saying the VS is coming this year.

 

Not to keep the V12 line busy and by V12 "line" I am thinking of those that assemble the V12 engines, not the actual cars placed into.

As for the Monza the link referenced above refers to 2 quarters being about 80 shipped in just those 2 quarters but, for instance, first customer delivery in UK was apparently in June 2019; and, I believe, if you go through the Monza picture thread on this site you can count far more than 80 cars....and their V12 engines are built by the same team that builds all the V12s.

The reason I am thinking requires 812VS introduction soon is on post 2246:
https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/147395965/

 

Interesting as in the Ferrari Q3 2019 results presentation page 15 it says

In the earnings call transacript for Q1 2020 the CEO talks about capacity constraints for the Monza, and in earlier calls talked about it being a super-complex car, presumably to do with the carbon body panels.

https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2020/05/04/ferrari-nv-race-q1-2020-earnings-call-transcript.aspx

So I don't think there are more than the 80 or so cars up to Q1 2020, and Q2 as we know was impacted by the virus.

It would be interesting to know how they delivered a lot more than the declared number of cars if you have counted more on the Monza thread.

Either way, it's not a significant driver of V12 production. Also, I know of several people still waiting for their Monzas in Germany, Their best guess end-2021/early-2022.

 

About a third of the Monza has already been produced - not all of them delivered yet though.

But appart from the numbers of Monza produced, the total quantity of 499 is quite « nothing » for the V12 engine line, especially if spread into a 2-3 years range of production. That’s why Ferrari absolutely need a V12 model to feed the dedicated engine production line. The 812 GTS fills this line but not the whole capacity, this is where the 812VS (and 812VS GTS) should enter the stage soon.

 

It seems like 812SF production is done or nearly done. Does anyone know if and 812SF's have been delivered with a GPF? I know all of the GTS cars that have been delivered have GPF but i'm wondering if the SF has been delivered with GPF in any market (I don't know of any in the USA). Are they ending production of the 812SF without doing a GPF variant?

 

Production of 812 SF is finished, done, history. 812 GTS only now.
My new 812 SF (delivered 14 August 2020) does have GPF and ALL cars are now going to have GPF. It's the law.
And yes, 812 SF with GPF is clearly 20% (or more) less noisy, much more quiet. I can say that after the first five days.

Marcel Massini

 

Thank you for the clarification and enjoy the SF!

 

The actual firing was done by SM

 

Interesting, thanks. I note other guys have reported that after a while (c. 1000km) the sound with GPF improves and gets louder... perhaps the GPF material burning off or settling in?

Will be interesting to hear your impressions over time as you drive it more.

 

I hope to see your 812 SF spec some time Congrats Marcel

 

The basic conclusion I’ve drawn is that an 812 with GPF sounds good, but not as good as without. Your post attempts to quantify its impact. I’ve also read that a GTS has a bassier tone. Ultimately, it’s not how Ferrari intended for it to sound but tried to make the best out of the situation imposed upon them and the market.

The question is: who would be willing to give up their pre-GPF coupe for a VS if the sound is 80% as good?