Any news on allocation criteria? Any confirmation on 812 VS + 812 GTS VS or will there only be one variant? Part of Icona Series or not? Cheers
I believe they will make both Coupe and Aperta. The latter will be harder to get but both will be limited. Of course all is subject to change, this is just my last information Not sure I understand the point about Icona...The 812VS is not part of the Icona series. Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
My dealer in the UK confirmed both 812 VS and 812 VS Aperta and both much more limited than Pista. Didn’t know whether numbered like F12 TDF but expects not.
Mvp- I heard the same from my dealer. Criteria is tricky because it will depend if Ferrari does the picking or if the dealers gets a say. With that said, he felt I was in a good spot. In the last 9 years or so I have owned 4 v8s and on the 12’s I have or have owned: FF, f12, 812 SF and GTS. So reasonable history but far shy of many here and yet the dealer was bullish. Fingers crossed for all that want in.
My view : 812VS limited not numbered, dealer will have a say/ Ferrari approves. 812VS Aperta limited numbered Ferrari does the picking
I was fishing for more information but he didn’t have any details on criteria. If you don’t qualify though then I don’t know who would ! I said that what I lack in buying history I make up for in future potential (in my early 30’s) but don’t think that cut it somehow! He believed both coupe and aperta available at the same time or very close together.
Unlike MVP, I’m 70, Ordered and bought a new 812 with no GPF I can remember the muscle cars of the 60’s and 70’s and their demise due to the gas shortage; the pendulum swung the other way for decades due to economy and regulations. The 812 NA and no GPF to me is the last of the breed and V12s thereafter will continually be further regulated and compromised. I’m happy to keep this purebred.
Suggest reading the first 5 or so pages of this thread from two years ago. You can tell who knows what although there was confusion between the VS and the Monza which was not a thing yet.
Sounds about right. Now the question is if you were offered both but can only pick one which one would people go for.
The dealers have no idea, but if the car is numbered the factory will allocate upon launch Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
I would pick the Aperta ( the rarer and numbered one) and keep my 812 Coupe with no GPF next to it. The latter I believe is a long term keeper
Something get to my mind last night while reading again the last few pages of this thread. We spoke about GPF, the possible design and engine features, the period of presentation and launch, the possibility of having a GTS/Aperta version... but there is a point that I haven’t read and is an « open » question to date: will the GTS/Aperta version of the 812VS have the same design as the 812VS coupé (as for the V8s i.e. Pista and Pista Spider) or will they have differences apart from the roof? I can understand they will both have the exact same design as both basis (812SF and 812GTS) now exist. But to me having different designs will make them even more limited and desirable. Well, this is just an open question, no need to have the answer yet, but I’ll be interested to have the answer. Hopefully soon.
I’ll try to answer your question with in a bit more quantitative manner. Assume the VS coupe is limited just by time of production and not numbered what makes the particularly desirable vs an 812 coupe with no gpf or a GTS? And if I had the choice between a top spec 812 coupe with no gpf at around £260/270k or the same top spec VS coupe for double the money would i spend the extra money ( so double the price of the 812 SF with no gpf)? Here’s my personal view : none of those 3 models will be numbered ( imo) and all limited by time of production. The 812SF with no glf my guess wasn’t produced for the world in more than 3000 ( max 1500 for Europe including UK), the GTS in my view around 2000 or more and the VS coupe assuming not numbered and looking at how many pista coupe were produced ( my guess no less than 2500 to 3000) none of those 3 models is particularly rarer than the other they however are all special and you unique in their own way : 812SF no gpf because its the last of the breed, pure v12 unrestricted / unregulated, the GTS it’s open top but has GPF, the VS coupe, it has gpf but its own design and engine upgrade. Question is which of those criterias is worth more to you assuming no real difference in rarity/scarcity? To me i am not sure i could justify spending double and would hold on to a well speccee 812SF no gpf they wont make them anymore. However the VS Aperta if it’s numbered and therefore really more limited and rarer than the other 3 having the performance/engine upgrade and open top in addition would make it for me the most collectible variant and be worth more to me financially speaking. That’s my own personal and humble view
Pista pista spider route or gto aperta route? If gts vs has different design then it sould be numbered limited. However Ferrari said up above ICONA will only be limited I believe, so GTS vs will more likely be same design with open top. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
It is to be assumed, not confirmed, that there will be an 812VS + an 812gtsVS given the fact that both platforms exist. On top of this, with a high probability, to being released at Finali Mondiali this year in Abu Dhabi. Both presented at the same time or one after the other is still not very certain... However, regarding the numbering phenomenon, I personally believe that it could also be highly possible that neither the regular VS nor the gtsVS will be numbered; hence limited by units built. My argument being, that the the 488PistaSpider was not numbered and not called 488PistaAperta. It is a fact, looking at the secondhand market, that yes, less PistaSpiders were built compared to PistaCoupes. However, the golden question being, how many less exactly... Long story short, the point is more PistaSpiders were built than the the 458SAs or 16Ms, the supposedly 499 of each... Now, one may argue, that you can’t compare the V8 lifecycle to that of the V12... However, given Ferrari’s Profit Goal for 2020 ($1Billion +) they will try to sell as many cars as possible (maximize revenue), tell the clients that the cars are “limited in production time” (which ultimately doesn’t mean anything as the 812SF finished production and SP1+2 have a separate line) and through that convince customers that those cars will not depreciate heavily. Like the sales strategy was to convince customers for the 488Pista, which we have seen now are sold below list price already given the market’s extremely heavy saturation as so so many were built! In other words, the same will happen for the 812GTS! As well as the VS model/s, if of course they are not limited by units built, which is to be assumed given the company’s financial goal mentioned above. The numbered/limited by units built story will be left for the Icona Serie models, which we know, the 812VS nor 812gtsVS will be part of... That is my opinion... PS drove an 812GTS today, yes can’t compare the sound (w. GPF.) to that of an F12 or 599 but it is good enough, especially if fitted with a open-valve remote! Cheers
I could be wrong but I personally doubt that Ferrari can launch 812 VS and VS Spider in unlimited numbers and sell them easily for 500-600k The market into which the Pista was launched was very different. Just ask the dealers that have Pistas on stock right now. Not exactly flying off the showroom floor. One of the two models will have to be limited number to create a buzz. I don’t doubt that the VS will be awesome either way, but it is very different to launch a “limited by production time” model in the Pista/GT2RS price band and completely different to do it in the TDF+ band If the car is limited people will queue up and possibly buy Romas, old stock Lusso or 812 which will help sales If it is not limited I expect a lot of trade ins as few people will buy more depreciating cars without trading in their 812,Lusso, Portofino... not the best news for dealers now Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Good luck to Ferrari marketing department (I have no doubt they are highly skilled though...) The F12 TdF was limited to 799 pieces, while the SF90 is reported (unofficially) to get a total production of about 1000 pieces - so that the difference between limited / unlimited becomes somewhat difficult to understand. Making significantly less 812 VS may not be an option, since Ferrari could feel they lose some sales opportunities; making as many or more would make the claim of "limited" bordering ridiculous. Regarding the Pista, it could have been produced in a lower (but still relatively high) unlimited number to help value retention; the production has just been slightly too optimistic vs the actual demand (I think there was a relatively high demand - which was impossible to satisfy - for very early deliveries, but the global demand spread over production time was not as high).
Yeah, I see your point. However, people also had to buy other cars for receiving a Pista allocation. Because, and this surely varies from dealer to dealer, the Pista was also sold as "limited" but obv. not numbered. Exactly the same with the 812 GTS. Remembering the thread on here about 812 GTS "allocations". Tbh. I personally know so many people who got one, some people even buying it as their first Ferrari... When we saw the allocation criteria that leaked for receiving a Pista, so many people either bought a 488GTB or 488Spider or anything else to get hold of one, because everyone thought, like I did, that it will be super exclusive which it turns out not really being, looking at how many are up for sale on the market today... Don't get me wrong, I love the Pista for what it is and stands for but in terms of exclusivity, which Enrico Galliera always promoted, I'm a little bit hesitant... So my point being, the 812VS could be the same type of "limited" hence not limited by units built but simply by having a "shorter production run". I believe there are enough people to spend a little over 500k (China, Middle East etc.) for an 812VS, even if it's not numbered or limited by units built (less than approx. 799 or 812 units)...
I’m in agreement with your comments and share your view. Some people will spend 500+ but again to my previous comments I myself is of the opinion that for double the money of an 812 ( without gpf) for a car which is not numbered it will be difficult to justify. I believe Ferrari will try to push as many as they can to achieve revenue targets especially in a covid world where they will struggle to sell as many cars as they would have hoped. So value retention will be tough at 500+ and sensible people will buy the used 812 making those even more desirable and reducing supply in the second hand market
