F8 Ordering F8 Spider vs. Lambo Aventador S

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Frank Sinatra "You buy a Ferrari when you want to be somebody. You buy a Lamborghini when you are somebody."

The most opionated/biased are often those who have owned only one or even none.

I like blondes and brunettes. Same with cars.

 

You may think it is stereotypical, but it is also very true. You may not like it, but over the past two decades Lambo has very much been catering to the crowd that values style over substance. That is not an assumption, that is a bone hard truth.

Not only can you look at the cars to see this as a lot of them are so focused on style that they become borderline useless, but also in the way many of them drive. I have driven just about anything Lambo has put out since 2000, and almost all of them have one thing in common. They feel heavy, sluggish and generic to drive. Yes that is the odd one that they try and focus a bit such as the Muci SV, Perfo and Balboni, but the standard Huracan, Gallardo, Aventador etc. are rubbish as drivers cars. You may find that to be oaky and find other aspects of the brand and their cars appealing - but I don't. As it currently stands, I think they are a joke and not worth the time of day.

I have the utmost respect for the older stuff, because they had the clot to back up the looks. I adore the original Diablo SV, and still get excited about a Countach series 2. I'm a huge Islero and Espada fan as well, so it's not that I don't like Lambo period. But I hate their current course, and the Sian is just more of the same. Yes the Aventador is striking, but as a car itis utter crap. Then they debut the Sian which is nothing but an Aventador with a small power pack and a ridiculously samm electric motor, as if it was something entirely new. The worst part is of course the price sticker on that thing. That car is at the absolute forefront of the all style no substance ethos - and it is purchased exclusively for bragging rights.

That shameless milking of every model in their line up sums it all up.
The Huracan is based off of an 18 year old platform for christ sake.

And lastly,, what do you see on the tracks? There are plenty of Ferraris being tracked, that's for sure. I haven't seen a Lambo on track for 12 months. I have however seen a lot of the putting around the inner city, more often than not being obnoxious one way or another.

You may think I'm being prejudice, and you're 100% correct. But there's a reason for it and it has to do with what Lamborghini has become. It's a shame and who ever set out on this course should be deeply ashamed.

Are all Lambo owners the same? No, but when you drive one you portray an image associated with that brand. Note that I use the word "brand". It used to be a marque, but now it is nothing but an empty brand use for show and marketing.

If Lambo owners find themselves upset or bothered by the fact that some of us in the exotic car comunity view Lambo this way, they might want to take it up with the source of the problem instead of those whom are just telling it as it is. In other words, Lambo owners should but a much greater emphasis on demanding better cars made for driving.

As long as I find it embarrassing to be seen in one, I'm not interested and I will not hesitate to call the brand out for what they are.

If I offended anyone - sorry, not sorry.

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Lamborghini's simply have a different design criteria from Ferrari. They must:
1) Look cool
2) Sound amazing
3) Go fast

This criteria inevitably means compromises in ergonomics and often in driving dynamics (how to make a heavy V10/V12 with a quick 0-60? Add AWD)

Ferrari's design critiera is derived from their racing pedigree -they have to be at the top of their class and inspire driver confidence when on the track. This means compromises in design as the wind tunnel plays a larger effect and compromises in sound as they need turbos to keep up with competitors.

I love my F430 for the go-kart analog driver connection and driving precision. But I'm adding an EVO RWD Spyder to the stable because of the outstanding performante-derived naturally aspirated V10, the driving experience and the striking design. Usually spyders loose their looks when you chop the roof, but somehow this looks even better. Looks are a critical part of the driving experience, the sence of occasion and the special feeling you have when you park and walk away; this is not a weakness of the badge but a strength. However, Lamborghini is also at the top of their game dynamically, trickling tech and knowledge from their GT3 program and feeding into road cars. While their chassis tuning is not up to standards of Porsche and Ferrari they certainly are not the numb understeer machines they once were.

Does the badge attract the young money and show off types? For sure, if you want to look cool you buy the coolest looking cars, but to say it's embarrassing to be seen in one would imply you care just as much about what other people think as the show off types.

 

Of course I care about how I come across in public. It is just in a different way. I'm quite sure most others including you do as well.

There's a huge difference between what it is I care about. I don't care about looking cool, being the loudest or the like, I just don't like the idea of how much Lamborghini portrays style over substance.

And to say that they are not numb understeering machines? That is simply not true. Yes the Huracan Evo is better than the 610, but that was bad. So they have made it a bit less bad. Great.
Yes the Aventador SV and SVJ is better, but not exactly plentiful and the embodiment of how the average Aventador handles. The really sad part is that these cars show that Lambo could make their cars handle better, yet it seems like they choose not to.

In this day and age, there is no excuse for their poor ergonomics either. It used to be more of a nessecary evil, but not today. Look at what GMA can do within the footprint of a Cayman and less than 900 kg. I find it so baffling that anyone will put up with the cabin of an Aventador. Had it been small due to a roll cage, a small car size or the like, okay, fine. But it is just small and uncomfortable because of styling elements and bad ergonomics. That's unforgivable.

All these things matter to me in terms of how they make me look. If you think that makes me shallow, I'm fine with that. In so many other ways I don't care one bit. But cars are near and dear to me, so an image of someone who only has a status symbol does not sit well with me.

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News Flash- Il Co-Pilota's truth is simply nothing more than merely an opinion. It is one man's view and a personal perception on this topic yet he speaks as if it an objective fact. You believe that Lamborghinis are poor performers that are more about style than function and the buyers of these cars are seeking attention and admiration more than driving excellence. As with all generalizations, they are fraught with subjectivity, inherent bias and assumptions. Buyers of super cars have a multitude of intentions and criteria for their purchase. Some seek the prestige associated with owning an exhorbitantly priced vehicle. Others genuinely lust after the exhilirating driving experience while others have a myriad of objectives. To classify the buyers of the 8500 Lamborghinis purchased last year as a monolithic group, is simply non sensical.

Your claim that Lamborghinis are rarely seen on a track, does not comport with my experience. Perhaps in my milieu, Lambo owners are a different breed than in your location. I have owned a Balboni and a Performante. I purchased them because their driving dynamics were thrilling and engaging to drive. I still have not experienced more excitement on a track and a test of driving skill engendered by the Balboni. Technically it was dated and unfiltered, but that accounted for much of its excitement. The Performante is on a different level on all parameters. The Performante is a steller performer technically and oozes driver involvement and arouses the senses. It remains at the hierachy of super cars occupied by the 720S, F8, Pista, Porsche GT series. The newly released EVO RWD is a thrill machine that must be experienced for its all encompassing driving dynamics. It sacrifices precision for a heart pounding adrenaline rush.

The above sentiments represent a small slice of my vision of super cars and their owners. They clearly diverge from yours but differing viewpoints is to be expected due to the fact that we are all subjected to individual life experiences and the filter in which we view the world.

 

What about red heads?

 

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honestly just keep both.

I was in the same situation a few months ago, I have a AV roadster thats been my daily driver for the past 3 years. I went to go trade it in for an SV-J roadster and just couldn't get over the small differences between my old AV and the SV-J for the $300k trade difference.

So I went and test drove an F8. Left a deposit to build a spider the next day. Now I get to have 2 for the price of 1 SV-J

 

And has Robert Mitchel from APEX says those records at the ring....hmmmmm.....

 

I thought about that. But from a fiscal standpoint I'd feel more comfortable with one exotic. Plus, it's hard to justify to wife having 2 exotics lol in addition to my building having one assigned parking space and one for valet. All the other expenses would also add up aka insurance, service, etc.