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Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by johnk..., Sep 14, 2020.

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  1. johnk...

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    I've been informed by a friend that Ferrari has given a cease and desist order to parts sellers like Ricambi to stop web publishing parts diagrams. You will see that they are no longer present on the Ricambi site and Daniel has suggested that others will soon follow. Perhaps it's time to flood Ferrari with emails about the situation. Or maybe post on Facebook, tweeter etc. Maybe FCA members should get involved. This is BS from Ferrari.

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/what-happened-to-ricambi.628939/
     
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  2. azzurribaggio

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    No molto bene....

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  3. Texas Forever

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    Of course it is, but do you think Ferrari gives a ****?
     
  4. flash32

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    Any way to save a copy of some of the models ..

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  5. johnk...

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    I went to Tom Vail's ALL FERRARI Parts. He has most diagrams in a format with the part numbers that can be printed. I made PDF files for my 355 and 308. Here is a sample of what I generated.

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  6. INRange

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    Maybe it's just a copyright issue. There is no new money in this for Ferrari. Forcing people with older cars to go to a Dealer to buy parts is not much of a profit strategy. It doesn't help their brand image and certainly will be met with owner disdain. The only thing I can think of is they are charging others for the information and some were getting it for free.
     
  7. tres55

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    Seems counterproductive to do this.

    2020 has not been good for Ferrari.
     
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  8. greyboxer

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    Whilst I see there may be a copyright issue this feels rather short sighted if one wishes to retain independent parts supply and ensure a long tail of historic car viability

    The UK Penske owned official supplier has retained its parts diagrams so far https://www.ferrariparts.co.uk/
     
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  9. A348W

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    That is BS. If Ferrari want to alienate customers that’s one way to do it!!!

    Still, do what we do in the UK and use Ferrariparts.co.uk to find your part numbers and availability; then shop around!
     
  10. Ray Smith

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    While I regret that the diagrams are no longer available on-line, those mechanical drawings are copyrighted material and the copyright holder has every right under US law to enforce their copyright. I do not know whether Ferrari had offered to allow their use with permission for a fee or not but the bottom line is the drawings are their intellectual property.

    As a photographer I am acutely aware of the illegal use of copyrighted material. I have had to pay attorneys to issue cease and desist orders to people who tried to use my work without permission or compensation. In some of the cases, had they asked prior to misappropriating my work I might have given permission. But to just blithely use someone else's work, especially for profit is not right.

    We accuse the Chinese of doing this so it's hypocritical not to side with Ferrari on this issue.

    If Ferrari's fee for use is not exorbitant it might be worth it to purchase a license to use. Ferrari might even be flexible on compensation since the parts sellers buy their parts from Ferrari, and produce items Ferrari no longer stocks or manufactures.

    But any decent lawyer will tell you that you must object to any and all illegal use or the copyright becomes useless.

    Capitalists should be okay with this.
     
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    #11 johnk..., Sep 16, 2020
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    Yes, they have the right. But on the other hand they chose not to claim copyright protection for as long as places like Ricambi, T Rutlands, All Ferrari parts (Tom Vail, used to be Denis McCane), etc. have had web sites. That they suddenly chose to enforce their copyright is there a motive here that is beyond copyright violation. It's bad PR to say the least. Also, according to my source, there is no offer to allow use for a fee, simply a stop and desist order. The question that remains to be answered is how wide the order is. Will Algor have to take them down? Will Maranello Classics have to as well? We'll see as time goes by.

    The other hypothetical issue I wonder about is that because Ferrari did not enforce the copyright for such a long period of time, in spite of knowing about it, could the various parts vendors file a class action, or individually, on the basis that the copyright is void.

    On the other hand,

     
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  12. Ray Smith

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    If you are referring to Algar, they are an authorized Ferrari dealer and it's more than likely that they have permission to use those drawings as part of their dealership franchise.

    As to the differing opinions vis-a-vis protecting IP rights, that's something that is up to a trier of fact, i.e. a judge or a jury.

    I think Ferrari would be wise to protect their IP by requiring a nominal fee for use of material such as parts diagrams, which ultimately lead to sales of Ferrari parts which don't grow on trees, but must be acquired from Ferrari.

    And correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not as though these third-party entities are charging bargain-basement prices for these parts. Hell, even the Chinese pirates are gouging, taking advantage of the Ferrari tax.

    IMHO, this looks like a ploy by their attorneys to generate billable hours. Because, as you point out, the entities affected have been in business for quite some time before I joined this august body as I only purchased my 430 in May.

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  13. POLO35

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    Man that sucks! I had a 328 for 15 years and I now have a 348 that I've had for five years neither car has ever been to a shop and in large part because of Ricambi Parts and diagrams and this website I've been able to do every repair that has come my way. I wish there was a heads-up so that I could have gone and downloaded and printed download a printed each diagram.
     
  14. RedNeck

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    Oh you're one of them...:rolleyes:

    Not an issue with politics, it's an issue with customer service. You think Ferrari doesn't make any money off of Ricambi? C'mon man, get your head out.....
     
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  15. Ray Smith

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    Capitalism is an economic system. Intellectual property is capital, it's a factor of production. Ferrari has every right to protect their IP.

    Odd to see that's the only sentence you quoted in a lengthy post.
     
  16. ferraridriver

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    You can go to any site that still have diagrams and save the pages. You will be able to view them off line or if those pages are taken off the site. Set up a folder for the diagrams you want, go to the page with a diagram and save it to that folder by clicking <control S>, save to named folder.
    You will see two files saved, one is the web page.

    I just saved all the 550 diagrams on T Rutland's site so now I can view any of the pages on or off line even if Rutlands take them down. .
     
  17. tbakowsky

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    As they say..the internet is forever. The diagrams will always be out there one way or another. Download as you find them. I'm doing it..I have one specific computer for all my Ferrari documents..no other use then that.
     
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  18. Nospinzone

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    I remember when their lawyers put Ferraridatabase.com out of business. It was a great resource.
     
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  19. Solid State

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    Sorry but that's just BS at this point. Its been in the public domain long enough for buyers to have relied on the availability of such information to drive purchase decisions. Another toxic side effect of public company ownership.
     
  20. Thomas S.

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    Could this be a first step until they stop selling OEM parts to independent workshops and end customers - effectively forcing us to do all our maintenance work through their official (overpriced) dealers?
     
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  21. tbakowsky

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    There is a law called the "right to repair act" they cannot stop people outside the delaet network for repairing thier own cars/object. Manufactures must provide repair information to the aftermarket. However, it does not put a price cap on that information.
     
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