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  1. buddyg

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    I do not despise Maserati at all but this car is like an F8 competitor so to make people fill out an application seems a bit over the top. If we were talking about the MC12 it makes sense this car no.
     
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    .....doubt it will ever be collectible. Mas shot itself in the foot by going down market for so long. There is nothing exclusive about the brand, neither looks, nor performance, nor reliability, nor desirability.

    Personally, I somewhat like the looks of the MC20...but still looks a bit too much like BMW i8 ( not a fan) ...and 6 cylinder? I'll pass. It's gotta be an 8 cyl or electric. 6 cyl is just too much in the middle to be that interesting. For a 6 banger, Porsche is the leader.

    I'll wait a few years until after the MC20 gets the bugs ironed out of it. Then I'll get one for $60K or so. It'll make a nice commuter car or coffee shop car.
     
  4. willcrook

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    you can quote me if i'm wrong in a few years but there's absolutely no way they're gonna be 60k usd
     
  5. Igor Ound

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    They are mclarens competitors but not that way I hope...
     
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  6. boralogist

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    ...and for good measure I will throw in my non-collectible Bora AND Khamsin at no extra charge, as well!
     
  7. staatsof

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    Your rather obvious utter lack of any respect for the Maserati marque undercuts your credibility to comment. Go back to your Porsche forum.
     
  8. staatsof

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    Unwatchable.
     
  9. wbaeumer

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    Yes, Porsche makes great engines. But the Italians are also not so bad on that, eh....? You judge before you taste!
    "...Its gotta be an 8 cyl. or electric..." - what a strange alternative.....
     
  10. TheMayor

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    Not at all. This is a great video. He does a lot of these.
     
  11. staatsof

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    Sorry but I just couldn't get past the the first 5 seconds BARF!
     
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    He makes indeed a lot of other presentations.
    Agree that the overfilled blackboard looks frightening/indigest at first look but the explanations are interesting and simple enough for the non specialist to understand what' at stake ;)
     
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    You should spend more than 5 seconds on this video. I thought it was very well done ... learned a lot about pre-chambers.

    Ivan
     
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  14. staatsof

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    That isn't exactly new technology but that wasn't what rubbed the wrong way. I'll give it another look BEFORE eating anything! :p
     
  15. staatsof

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    No that was fine and quite necessary. My objection was to the silly flowery description at the beginning. Who decided to put that in there?

    My potential concern about the technology is the same as the presenter's and I see on other new cars which is ... how does this hold up ... do these chambers and flame ports get fouled up? I'm currently shopping for a replacement big SUV and have been looking at the older Lincoln Navigators because their last V8 engine are KISS compared with the newer V6 turbo models which by necessity have all of this fuel saving and emissions reducing technology incorporated. THe newer Licons have had issues with this. I want long running simple reliability. My current beast gets 8 mpg when towing so whatever I get will be a lot better than that. Also gas is cheap here. I only went through two tanks of gas in the last year. Covid-19 had something to do with that.

    But Maserati is about performance and if you want that you're going to have to pay. I think these will necessarily be expensive to maintain cars compared with the earlier generations because of all the technology being employed. I think that's true for all cars now.

    When these are 5 years old and have 50K+ miles on them watch out. I doubt anyone is going to be able fix these very easily. At 10 years yikes!
    We have an awful lot of fossil fuel left and there's nothing else that produces this much energy for the weight but the most powerful and efficient technologies like this are very complex when compared with an electric motor. I guess it's great to see them using it as well as they can.
     
  16. italiancars

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    It’s not 5 years from now that I’d be worrying about, it’s the here and now even under warranty. I wouldn’t be worried if my local dealer was a Ferrari/Maserati dual, unfortunately most of the dealers are from the CDJR Network.

    They have enough trouble servicing the current lineup of Maseratis, yet alone something as technically advanced as an MC20. Hope I’m wrong, but these dealers don’t understand how to take care of customers buying an 80k car, a buyer spending 200k+ is a whole different animal. That’s a big contributor to Maserati’s resale value.
     
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  17. staatsof

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    But certainly all of those Iacocca years, K car technology, the fantastic Chrysler-Maserati and those huge swaths of fine corinthian leather has prepared them for this moment no? :p
     
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    best dealer service i ever had was nissan with gtr. that was 100k performance car compared to typical 25k nissan econobox yet they were better than porsche service by far. i wouldnt worry too much about servicing the mc20. they will send their best techs for great deal of training.
     
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    sorry i was in that network, I know what type of techs the CDJR dealers use. It may be “their” best tech, but that doesn’t mean their expertise is at the level needed to service a car like a MC20. It also goes far beyond just the techs, it’s the culture of the dealerships and their mindset.
     
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    I'm wondering what they could even do? Cleaning of those flame ports, new plugs. Filters lubricants and coolants.
    I was at a Maserati dealer last fall to drive a Levante S which I really liked. As we walked through the service department one of the mechanics was swapping out the entire rear suspension and diff. The customer had gotten a bit too rough off roading and bent something. On that car the job didn't look too bad but if it was up front it might be a very different story. I imagine any serious engine warranty issues will be complete swaps and it's probably pretty involved doing that. All those connections and linkages ...

    Perhaps they'll have regional experts that fly in or service centers for the complex stuff.

    Sorting brand new models is usually where people get really pissed.
     
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  21. 95spiderman

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    yes, bringing in expert factory tech would be way to go esp in beginning.
     
  22. italiancars

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    Good friends with a lot of people from the factory, you can count on 1 hand the number of people that are still with Maserati North America today that were with them when they were located in Englewood Cliffs, NJ. North American operations is primarily Chrysler transfers. Bringing techs in from Modena, planting them in dealerships is something I discussed with the former VP of Aftersales, (Transfer in from Modena, XFerrari) He liked the idea, then they did the move to Auburn Hills, he left like 99% of the other people at MNA.
     
  23. staatsof

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    OK no expert techs ... so maybe just a tutorial app on their iPhones then ...
     
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    That's because I prefer naturally aspirated in ice vehicles. A non-turbo 6 has a difficult time holding up to the 8s in terms of motoring excitement. I've owned and driven plenty of Porsches. The engines don't excite me much, but the reliability, handling, and braking are just so damn good that it's a worthy compromise. I am not sure a Mas 6 can come close to the overall Porsche compromises given Mas' dodgy reputation. I am just not seeing the comparative value proposition with Mas. I already owned several Ferraris. So, something in that realm has to excite. Otherwise they are just grocery getters or coffee shop cars. I am just not sure what Mas is offering with their wannabe Beemer i8.

    The alternative is then an electric...or preferably a hybrid power train. Though the $$$ begin to get up there with the hybrids..... SF90 is my dream...or Porsche 918.

    Now the vintage Maseratis that's a whole different conversation! Love those!
     
  25. 95spiderman

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    Wannabe i8? In what way? I8 is a confused underpowered hybrid that does nothing well and is a failure. Mc20 is either a high powered ice OR complete ev that will have the market to itself with no competition until tesla produces one. Mc20 is superior to i8 in every facet
     
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