I would imagine they would be about the same in a straight line even with the Pista being the lighter car. Track will be another story.
F8 and Pista will be similar above 100 mph to 160 mph. Pista should be about .2 seconds ahead at 100 mph due to shorter gearing and lighter weight. That’s almost nothing. Pista should trap about 1-2 mph higher. You’d never notice the difference on the street.
Pista is over a second slower to 300kph, nearly identical through the increments. The (small) weight advantage should help handling etc. but in a straight line, the lower drag of the F8 is better, so even cars really. Tyres is everything between the two cars in a drag. Whichever is fitted with the better tyres wins!
Agree the difference in 1/4 mile between Pista and F8 isnt even worth mentioning but we all know there is more to a car than a quarter mile time. Btw how is that new toy of yours going? Anything further to report?
I forgot that earlier this year I ran against an F8 just messing around and the Pista was definitely quicker. Not by much but it was obvious when we took off several times and also from a rolling start. Could have been driver but no way to prove that.
The Pista definitely feels quicker and feels more aggressive but whether that actually translates into a better 1/4 mile time I can't say. What I can say is that between the way the two cars drive the Pista is clearly the more exciting of the two emotionally. There is no question about that. They both have the same power output but the way the power is delivered and translates to the driver certainly gives the driver the impression the Pista is giving out a lot more on the emotional end of the scale. The F8 feels quite muted in comparison but again, which may not translate into much of an actual performance deficiency other than in the drivers mind - but then that's where most of it all counts really in this kind of car, as in how the car feels and communicates with the driver when pushing the car. So whilst the numbers may not change significantly between the pair on paper it is hard to argue which delivers the more compelling and emotional outcome. I found there was a clear disconnection with the acceleration and speed in the F8 whereas in the Pista you could feel both of these elements clearly. And maybe that is what is giving the impression the Pista is the faster overall. And Pista most likely is at certain stages on the way to the red, but the end result after covering a certain distance in a dead straight line may well wind up putting them both being much the same time.
Haven’t been in the 2RS for a few days. Don’t have any more track days planned this year at the moment either. Have a road trip to Italy soon but will use the GTS for that. I find myself using the 2RS for trips like the daily commute, which, for me, is a very average drive. Stupid really but I love being in it, even if the driving opportunities are not great. Just returning from a long weekend to Scotland playing golf and doing some driving for my son’s 18th birthday. Took the F8. A great car for that trip. The steering and general feel of the car is very Ferrari but it does feel less serious than the Pista, which has much greater heft to the steering and a general aggression about it. I agree about the 1/4 mile. Never sure what the fascination with that measure was. There are literally hundreds of ways of measuring how fast a car is and yet if one wins and one loses over the 1/4 mile the Internet screams “such and such killed the whatever” as though two YouTube minutes tell the definitive story. Laughable really.
Posting Zeperfs is useless. There’s roughly 10 Pista tests with full data panels. There’s ONE from the F8.
You don’t think it looks representative though? F8 has the same engine, power and torque, roughly the same weight and less downforce. Given that, I would expect the increment times to look like that - including a second advantage around tracks like Vairano for the Pista.
My take away from it would be the cars are damned close but I certainly don’t think we can deduce the F8 is faster at high speeds or whatever people have been saying. QR, the only mag to test both, recorded the F8 as being .5 seconds quicker to 300 kph than the Pista. I think that’s certainly within the realm of no definitive answer. atmospheric conditions, a few degrees here or there and perhaps the Pista would be been quicker. They’re just so close.
Without all the competition we would not have the performance today with many to choose from. The F-8 really shines!
Lack of data doesn't necessarily make it "useless". Less meaningful and/or significant, yes. But meaningless? No. More data is better than no data.
I’m not saying the data is useless, I’m saying a site that’s function is to take every single publicly available data panel and average them together in order to get some sort of normalized acceleration set is useless when there’s one test. Just compare the two QR tests. That’s the apt comparison. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Extra downforce of the Pista accounts for quicker times until 260 kms when that advantage becomes a detriment for maximum speed which causes the F8 to significantly pull ahead.
There is one measure that seems unbelievable here - “Ripresa In D” which seems to be the fastest the cars can cover certain increments such as 70-120 km/h. The F8 is significantly quicker. Unless I have misunderstood what it means, that seems difficult to believe.
I believe I understand it the same way you do, and again, I have trouble believing it. But, if it’s accurate it means the F8 gearbox is faster to respond, perhaps better software logic? I believe it means the car is in D and you just mash the throttle and let the gearbox kick down.
Tesla? Just kidding. Even on many tracks you cant do much over 150mph. It's the powerband between 50 to 130 that is most used.
All this talk of straight line numbers is getting quite boring. It's how these cars behave in the switchbacks and bends and how they deliver the full pallet of sensations to the driver. A few tenths here, a half second here on a different day and conditions - like seriously? I mean is this what it has boiled down to now? I can tell you where it counts - say on a mountain pass or back rod - the ..... will smash these two and leave their drivers in a lather of sweat trying to keep pace with a less powerful car which is so well honed and balanced in the way it connects to the driver you won't give a stuff about which might draw a few more looks and is a few tenths quicker down a dragstrip. After doing a back to back today in two cars I'm convinced all this talk of straight line speed is meaningless.
that is where electric cars excel. The electric future will be extremely quick. I haven’t driven a Taycan but I am in a couple weeks. I’ve heard good things.
I posted in the Porsche section all of my issues with it. Mostly poor UX/UI - poor tech UK general and nothing worked.
