It’s also ridiculously priced. I thought both my Teslas were bad at $120-140k given the poor interiors, but the Taycan at $200k? My next eco daily would be a Model 3 Perf and save the $ for more exotics.
i drove the 720 s and the 488 gtb 488 gtb was my choice no turbo lag alot of power at 3k rpm well 720 s had alot of turbo lag and made alot of power and was the faster car but 488 imo was the winner ,mynext ferrari will hopefully be a pista
I own a 720 and used to own a 488 which I traded for a Pista. 720 drive it in spirt mode and the lag is as imperceptible as the 488.
both great cars 488 is my choice ,you got to exprience both which is amazing,after driving a pista not much other cars to think about its amazing
Pista and 720 are very similar in performance. The 488 is not up there performance wise but its a brilliant car. I loved mine.
I agree, mine was over $200K. The car looks great, its very quick but it would drive me bananas if I had to live with that tech on a daily basis. If Porsche's had Tesla's interface then I may have hung on to it.
I wish VW/Porsche had bought Tesla and just used their system and nav tech and batt, but with Porsche interiors and dynamics.
I am quite shocked. I hav not seen anybody yet complain to the point of getting rid of it. I jut can't get into something that doesn't have pistons.
That I agree. I remember Porsche said they were coming out to compete with Tesla. Well I was assuming maybe a 10-20k USD difference for luxury and prestige that Porsche is known for. NOPE!. Try 40-60k! With ttah said. Tesla has a tough road ahead of them with MB coming out with their EV.
My neighbor has a 720S...says in the right drive mode there really is not turbo lag. I can't fit in the 720s (6'5") but I take his word and others. I'd love a Pista, best looking road car going. I love my 488GTB, it's what I could afford.
there is no turbo lag in the 720. None. I didn’t buy a 650 back in the day cause the lag sucked. No lag I. 720. btw- I’m surprised you can’t fit in 720. I’m 6’4” and with without any issues at all.
I got in it...but my knees where touching lower dash and I only had maybe a tight fingers width headroom. I wasn't exactly comfortable. I'm 6'5" and a half to be exact...athletic 235lbs. Plus a major major issue is my entire left leg is a prosthetic leg so it only really bends 1 way so comfort with how the carbon socket fit my stump and sits in the seats can add a little to needing some room. I fit in my 488 fine...but I was most constable in my Porsche 991 GT3 with Lightweight Bucket seats....great on the road and track and driving position really felt like the car was wrapped around me.
makes sense but I’m 6’4 225 so very similar to you. The leg yes I can see how that would be an issue. It’s very possible that the seat wasn’t all the way down but regardless- 488 is super roomy and so is Porsche.
Sales guy and I played with the seat...all the way down and back and then I moved it around tried tilting it some and so forth. I like my Ferrari, love the racing history and I am a huge huge race fan, IMSA, F1, Indy, GT World....so it's fun to root for the car you drive and all that. I do have a soft spot for Porsche...love the cars and brand...wish I could have 1 of each but other priorities in life.... 1st world problems LOL....
I must've missed the notice and didn't get the memo about height requirements to be on this forum. No shrimps allowed... Seems like I just may be the shortest guy in this group of windmills (reference to Don Quijote, for those who may feel insulted. He confused windmills with giants).
Dont feel bad I'm 5'5 and so what?! If anyone says anything bad just reply you have the ideal F1 driver body type ahahha!
If it’s not called lag, what is the delay called between mashing the throttle and the turbos reaching peak boost? I’ve never driven a turbo car that didn’t need time for the turbos to fully spool and provide the maximum torque available at a given RPM. Throttle response in a Pista is best I’ve experienced for a turbocharged car, but it still doesn’t react with the same immediacy/intensity as a Speciale or 812, for example.
When you see these posts saying there is lag, they are giving the impression that there are seconds of delay which is not the case with either car. The power comes own instantaneously and smoothly. Any lag is almost indiscernible with the 720 and Pista.
Everything on this planet is subject to the Hegelian Dialectic, which posits the inevitable reality that nothing is completely positive or negative. All objects and situations contain inherent pros and cons. Take the example of forced air induction engines which results in less mass, more compact size and higher power per litre than VA engines. Their downside, is mitigation of engine sound and purely linear acceleration. The latter, referred to as Turbo lag, has been minimized to virtual indiscernability in their latest incarnations. For some, the trade off is unacceptable resulting in the enormous affection for NA engines while others enthusiastically embrace Turbos compromises and all.
Same as posts saying there's zero lag in a 720S, Pista etc. Again, I'm not referring to the start of any forward motion upon throttle application - I agree that is instantaneous. Perhaps that's what people refer to as "zero lag"? I refer to the time required before full potential boost and max potential power/torque is realized at a given throttle position and RPM. There is most certainly a delay which does not exist (or is substantially imperceptible) on a high performance NA car.
You just cant get the performance from a NA motor without a large, heavy engine, hybrid or turbos. I will take the car with the turbos all day long. The tech has gotten very good, almost to the point that you dont know the turbos are there. Having a front mounted V12 its just not the same as a mid engine 8. The F12/812's are fantastic but dont have nearly the same balance and feel.
