348 Crank Angle Sensor Resistance

All back together along with a little cleanup. Car starts fine and was purring away nicely. Wont really know until I try it out tomorrow assuming weather improved - very heavy rain here at moment :-(
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348Jeff,

Thanks for the update, good news so far. I should start mine tomorrow. Will update you and appreciate one from you as well.

Brewman

 

Happy to report I started my 348 today with Kia crank position sensors with 860 ohms resistance vs. the original 550. The engine ran smooth, idles good at 1050 RPM, no issues so far. Will go for road test later this week.Very happy as the Kia sensors were $42.00 ea. from the local dealer.

Thanks to all who responded to my original post regarding the resistance of the Kia sensors compared to the original from Ferrari.

Brewman

 

Just to add - Ive done a few hundred miles in the car now and it starts and runs just fine

 

Jeff,

I also have a hundred or so miles on mine since installing the Kia sensors. No issues at all.

Brwman

 

Well awarding myself 1 stooge point thanks to this post and a few others. Pulling out of gas station I got a 5-8 CEL and car almost died twice when coming to a light and would hunt for idle upon startup.

Got under the car and looked at my sensors and sure enough 5-8 looked like it had been through NAM. Kia part number in and no more code she's singing like new.

I also changed out the crank sensor in the engine bay on banks 1-4 since reading here it seemed like a decent one to proactively change...sure enough the harness on that was cracked as well.
For less than 125 bucks replaced all that an onward we go.

The stroke sensor for 5-8 is a pain to get to but I found it easiest to use an actual 5mm Allen key rather than an Allen on a 1/4" drive set. This helped me get it going and then the rest by hand. Overall pretty easy even though I was on my back with jackstands. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login

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Yeah buddy! Way to gitterdun!

Stooge points for sure.

 

I replaced everything on my car but the single biggest improvement was the cam phase sensor on cam back of passenger cam bank (your picture above) mine looked fine but they DO start to fail, they are not work or fail like some say. It was responsible for a weird idle hunt. But only some times and gets worse over time. It was the last thing I replaced and that was it. No CEL just a weird idle hunt like a vacuum leak type effect that stabilized as it warmed up and only when cold.

The crank position sensors, you can get to the top one through the passenger wheel well by removing the front fender liner with 1/4 drive socket and a 3 foot extension with a hex head socket on it VERY easily. MUCH easier than from under with the belts in the way etc.

 

Are the original Bosch crank sensors no longer available?

 

The crank sensor is just a simple coil of copper wire on a magnetised core so I wouldn't worry about using a non-Bosch one. Bosch seems to be NLA but, if one prefers to have the sensor from a more reputable manufacturer, one can go for Vemo. Probably the same quality as Bosch, if not better - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-VEM-Crankshaft-Pulse-Sensor-V95-72-0039-Top-German-Quality/202850714783?hash=item2f3ad8449f:g:7mEAAOSwtbhcpmJE

Or Valeo - https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Crankshaft-Pulse-Sensor-Fits-VOLVO-KIA-LANCIA-FERRARI-PEUGEOT-760-591879/153174918845?epid=18023593570&hash=item23a9efc6bd:g:MPQAAOSwLmBb9YzI

 

plenty of guys here running the kia sensors for multiple years now without issue...17/piece on amazon get it in a day

 

I bought and installed the OEM ones 4 months ago. May have to hunt a bit.

 

Would these Magnetti Marelli be ok as well?

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F173912687628

 

Most certainly, Italian! I have Marelli ignition coils on my 348. However, I wonder why Ferrari did not use Marelli but went for Bosch?

 

I see the KIa part #s for the crank sensors, but what is the optimal source and part# for the cam phase sensor?

 

For a 348, I believe it's a standard Bosch 0232103006

Just Google for lowest prices.

e.g. https://www.ebay.com.au/p/249591412?iid=263340362627

 

The sensor only (with three pigtail wires) is Siemens HKZ101, HKZ101E, HKZ101S or HKZ121. It cross references to:

VOLVO 1346792-3
HUECO 138152
FACET 8.2722
BREMI 16522
INTERMOTOR 14011
VEMO V95-72-0038

There are also Chinese knock-offs like CYHME301 or BBHME301 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Hall-Effect-Vane-Sensor-BBHME301-replacement-for-HKZ101-HKZ101S-HKZ121-CYHME301/293110052067?hash=item443eb874e3:g:N4gAAOSwT0lc8U~A).

 

Thanks, very helpful.

By the way, I spoke to 2 different KIA dealers regarding the crank sensors, and that part # (0K9AA 18891) has been discontinued with no supercession.

 

You can probably still get it on Ebay. Also search for Volvo part# 1367645 (Volvos 700 and 900 series).

Other cars/part numbers:

CITROËN & PEUGEOT
5918 79
5918 84
74 01 367 645

FERRARI 130975

FIAT
7616269
76162690

IVECO 7616269

LANCIA 7616269

RENAULT 74 01 367 645

VOLVO 136764

 

yeah, a little more follow up:
- saw a cross reference to 1998 Mazda Protege 1.5L. Part available at $146
-saw cross reference to Ford 1996 Escort 1.8L. Part discontinued.

Local Advanced Autoparts cross referenced KIA part# to a Intermotor, their part #CSS554. $73. I ordered 2, will let you know if they work.

 

Crank sensors are easy and cheap to find. It's the cam phase sensor that is harder, specific to Ferrari, and expensive for both 348 and 355.

 

Next time check also on Ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-Crankshaft-Position-Sensor-0K9AA18891-for-Kia-98-02-Spectra-Sephia/233570807933?fits=Make%3AKia&epid=1822214253&hash=item3661e7b07d:g:nn8AAOSwIDJbOnN8

 

Update- on Advanced Autoparts cross reference....these are not even close...wrong length and wrong plug.

So I called Ricambi and ordered #130975 (the correct ones!). I should have did that first.

 

I fitted the intermotor ones about 9 years ago and car is still running fine

Few pics of fitting here:

https://www.clubscuderia.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?45388-348-DIY-quot-Restoration-quot&p=784605#post784605

 

I ordered some crank sensors through O'Reilly auto parts. Kia number crosses to a 19-0459. Installed the sensors and i didnt see a shim that fell out from the lower sensor(I think). Car starts but it dies almost instantly, found the shim, installed shim on lower sensor, car does same thing, put shim with other shim on upper sensor just in case it had 2 shims and the lower one had 0, car does the same thing.

Car ran amazing when I put it in storage, then developed a no statt condition after it sat. I put a new ac pump in it, and probably hit the fragile af crank sensor connectors. Car had no spark on bank 1-4 but did on bank 5-8. I go to put the new lower sensor for bank 1-4 and it breaks the connector for the upper crank sensor just by removing the bracket bolt.

Smh these are beautiful cars but made with absolute garbe parts. My 87 trans am (using this a reference because its older and cheap gm product) connectors dont crumble into dust when Touching them, the fuel pump doesnt have rubber that is susceptible to gasoline surrounding it so it decays into a sludge and clogs everything. It doesn't need 2 ecus to control 8 cylinders, or 2 fuel pumps or 2 crank sensors. Smh

Anyway about 1 out of 15 times of starting the car it will fire up to 2k and sound great for like 10 seconds. Then dies. I have fuel pumps coming, fuel filters, and 3 new injectors. I bought 8 brand new delphi injectors from autozone, 3 were previously opened, they could be bad, I want brand new still sealed to replace them with.

It feels spark related to me. Wonderig if the aftermarket sensors I got were just not as good as oem. Just like when you buy the knock off china injectors and they dont work properly and you have to buy oem. Is this the same type of situation? Can aftermarket crank sensors be used? Does anyone have experience with the aftermarket kia style crank sensors working in their 348? Btw mine is a 94, not sure if that makes a difference between the older 348s and the 94 to 95 348s.

Super frustrated 348 owner please help!