My old 456 M GT is offered on Bring A Trailer

Love it
That's the same interior as my 550, Sabbia with black pipping

 

That seller doesn’t perhaps appreciate that given other “driver” mile cars he is right at market value given deferred maintenance

 

Following this. Tried to post links to your 2014 threads which show that this is your car but my comments on BAT wouldn't post. Odd. Here are the links. https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/456-reflections-and-a-vision.449253/ https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/2000-456-mgt.442945/

 

I just tried to put it up at BaT it worked for me

 

Sentimental attachment is tough.....I rarely sell and that’s a reason why my garages are bursting.

I’m eyeballs deep in a search for the right 550/575 (I’m pretty sure the right one is physically close to me which is great)... and I’m grateful to have an extremely patient wife.

These automotive and motorcycle and airplane love affairs can be crazy....I admit to my wife I have a problem and have promised to add just 1 more horse to the stable.

 

Just keep repeating that last phrase Eric... it keeps working for me with my wife! She just rolls her eyes.

I’ve also run out of garage space and have had to resort to extra storage capacity to support the habit. If you’re in need of local (to us in the South Bay) storage, let me know - I have a good recommendation.

Ruben

 

Ruben, Early this year, in my little collection I had owned two 1975 Chevy Laguna S3's (a Cannonball Run movie tribute car and the PHR Magazine "Project Talladega" car) and my deal with my wife is one in one out since I have so little free time and my situation is a little ridiculous.

It was really hard for me to let the red cannonball run tribute car go but the black Project Talladega car has a DART 427 with 601 HP and everyone should have one "hog cam" ridiculous american iron toy. plus race cars are like purses or shoes.....you need one for road course work, one for off road racing, one fancy car/truck for "date nights" etc......;-)

2 weeks ago I went to look at an industrial building down near watsonville and I've been keeping my eyes open as well on a building on Canepa's side of the main drag in Scotts Valley just north of his shop.

I also had looked at those auto-condo spaces in the club sportiva complex in San Jose.

24th year with my wife and I know I often have her bouncing off the rev limiter since I've got so many toys that don't get used.....but it would be great if I could consolidate and keep the toys in one space.


EDIT -- I also had driven around over by Ben Lomond and the old airport area wondering if I could find hangar space over there. I'm jealous of one of my friends in Boulder, CO that has a hangar for his man cave and toys (including his 1946 Luscomb Silvaire)

 

Not only that (consolidating) but keeping them off site has a way of disconnecting them from her observation.

 

It hammered for 68k. With buyer premium that’s 71,400$ plus tax.

 

To me that seemed amazing but the pool of 2000MY comparables is thin compared to the 6MT 1995's.

Another sign IMHO that the BaT marketplace has a lot of kool-aid.

A buyer that spends more than.....$50k for a car.....that doesn't do a PPI should have cubic yardage of wealth?

I've shared on here I got stung on the last car I bought sight unseen without PPI because I had the red mist and the lesson I learned having a DART 427 rebuilt was tuition enough to know better and my "gambling" is done as it pertains to "toy" purchases.

 

Well I’m victim of that too, but why do you think the pool of manual M cars is less than pre M? As far as I know they are about the same for examples in USA, 83 pre M, and 90 or so M cars in manual. Or is the 2000 model special in more ways than I’m aware?

 

@Salami I'm not sure frankly.... the right professor for this 456 topic is probably @Laserguru -- I'll be frank, even though prices on BaT are crazy, you compare all those '95 6MT sales I had listed on that auction (in the comments) and compare it to the newer model year cars and apparently there is a value divide.

Buying @open roads old car at that price without doing a PPI especially since it was due a major just seems irresponsible to me unless the buyer has cubic yardage.

I will admit it was nice a prior owner (not Open Roads) spent a sizable pile ($$$$$$) between 2014-2016 on leather and shock replacement (among others) so that is in the "plus" column for the buyer from today.

 

The answer is that the auto wasn't introduced until 1997. ALL previous 456's were manuals. Total production of 456 was 1951 Worldwide. 1548 were manuals, 403 were Autos. US share of that was likely about 525 cars. Very few 456 GTA made it here, something well less than 100 cars. This is a hard number to come by and 456 Autos are a hard find. Once the M was introduced, total worldwide production was 1338, with ~27% coming to the US....370 cars and 93-95 were manuals. Ferrari assessed that the US market really preferred the auto in this model. The split between auto and manual world wide was right at 50% whereas the US split was 25% manual/75% auto. I'll update my data on the 456s when I can. But you can see the numbers splits pretty dramatically between the earlier 456 and the Ms with regard to the transmission choices and availability.

As I've mentioned previously, the market is split into three groups in ascending price point: 456M GTA is the lowest group, 456 GT is the mid-group, and 456M GT is the highest price point group. The car that just sold on BaT went quite low for a 456M GT but it did have some issues and the discussion of the ownership chain and previous incidents really dampened that auction, I believe. Nobody likes controversy and arguments over history and provenance in an auction. Bad juju!

 

Would you care to give a synopsis of the drama surrounding the sale? I didn’t pay that close attention but I’m curious what the fuss was about.

 

Just read the commentary on the auction. Seller was for sure out of bounds.

Simsimma (over there -- not sure if he is on here) also made a cute apropos comment....."dropped a bomb with the softest touch".....made me laugh/smile at the time

Frankly BaT IMHO is showing major premiums on a lot of cars and this one ended way higher than I had assumed it would given the proven prices for earlier '95 456's.....and the fact this one was going to need a fresh major. Just one man's opinion.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-ferrari-456m-gt/