599 F1 Gearbox light query.

Hi, looking for some suggestions. Saw some oil marks on the underside brace below the F1 actuator area. When I turn on the ignition, the red light for Gbox comes on with a message saying low oil and changing gears not allowed. The display panel shows N . Anyone experienced this. Had a look around the Gearbox and seen 2 or 3 hose joints with a few drops of oil. The car will not start. Also need to understand how the technology in this one worked. There seems to be a clutch right behind the Engine and then the gearbox at the back. What is the function of the clutch and how is it activated/deactivated. ANy oils to be replaced in that area? or is it just the usual Engine and gearbox oils in this car. Many thanks for any inputs.

 

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Tks. Yes, the rear F1 pump turns on when driver's door is opened.

 

Part No 247227 (3 way pipe) was dripping slightly at the end. I read somewhere that the system only has 1-litre oil in it. Is there any way to top it up? The canister at the top seems to be quite inaccessible. (unless oil can be pumped up from the leaking pipe ) With obvious spillage expected.

 

. I saw that the owners manual shows 3 kinds of gearbox errors. One is low oil level (The one I have as it shows oil level dipstick), one is a more serious fault that turns the warning light on all the time with an audible alarm too, showing operating failure. The third is the blinking light showing low system pressure. In terms of the design, it seems it's the same as the 360 F1 with the clutch part separated from the gearbox part

 

Justin, in your case could you start the engine or did it suppress the engine starting too?

 

Tks. DO you think for now I can open the door a few times to self bleed first. The car is stuck behind another car and very hard to remove with no power. Even if it were to start and engage in gear for a short time, it will help me get it out of the drive. tks

 

The oil found on the cross member below is not red or black and looks very clear. Wonder if it's from the diff or gearbox. I assume that there are 3 separate oils here. One is for the F1 pumps, one for diff, and one for the internal guts of the gears

 

Many thanks for all the help guys. Sadly the issue is slightly more complex than thought Image Unavailable, Please Login due to poor workmanship by a previous mechanic it seems. The main bolt holding the L shaped metal tube with the 2 copper washers was either cross threaded or overtightened. I opened one part of the 3 way rubber hose at the bottom and pushed some oil up to the reservoir to see if the level light would go away. As it happens the pump got activated with the door being open and the copper washer started pissing oil. Replaced the washers and put it back and it loose due to a damaged housing. Opened it again to have a closer look and seems the housing body was butchered. Not sure if lathe work can fix it or even worth it? So now a case of removing the unit and then stripping it to remove the good bits and just using the housing body from a used one. . Its the same part as the Maserati but prices are all over the place., Some suppliers in the UK selling them for GBP 500 while others in Germany asking USD 3500. (which is even more than the original part price of 1500 pounds). Now a case of removing the unit so any tips from anyone who has done it before are appreciated to get an idea on time involved or if any special tools needed. Seems you can remove it without removing too much as I have already removed the cross member and exhaust insulation shields. Meanwhile, the car stuck in gear and impossible to move. ANy tricks on disengaging the gear/clutch without powering it on. Or can I remove some fuses to deactivate the Gearbox electronics and then also disengage the clutch so that car can be pushed. Many thanks

 

Tks Justin. SO you mean you had a low oil level light, you could turn on ignition , but when you pressed start on the Steering wheel , there was nothing. In my case the starter does not engage.

 

Hi George/ Ricardo, It's a 2009 with 21000 KM. Just look at how the housing got butchered. I have a Maserati 4200 F1 I am scrapping and parting out. I have a strong feeling the housing body for both cars is exactly the same. If so , its not a bad switch. Took me 2 hours to remove the unit working without a hoist using AXLE stands. Came up with suggestions for other members while doing this that I will share on a new post shortly.
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The Maserati 4200 F1 valve body is 98% similar to the F599. The only diff I could see was the size of a seat for the oil supply pipe as they used different pipe systems for delivery. However, the thread size is exactly the same and so is the internals. Just the valve numbers printed are all different than the Maserati. I Will let you all know how it goes once it's fitted and primed with new oil for which I presume the SD3 is the only choice now as the whole unit is empty. Interestingly there is no instruction in the WSM to set up the unit from empty if the car is NOT in N. What happens if someone were to have a leak while driving and lost the F1 pump mechanism?
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