Buyer Beware: 2012 458 Italia VIN ZFF67NFA5C0183128

Wow

 

Thanks for doing your homework (when you were considering purchasing this car)
and for sharing what you found out.
I hope anybody else looking for a car sees this and knows what they are looking at.
Funny that the steering wheel was changed out. I see the stitching that would have been blue from the factory is yellow now.
This is something somebody might see and not even notice.

Thanks again,
GG

 

Did a PPI on 4 F cars; 3 had undisclosed damage history, bought the 4th. Best money I ever spent. 2 were at a major multi location high end dealer that told us we didn't know what we were doing even after showing them the evidence. They asked us to leave. One was with a very large broker that claimed ignorance but wanted me to pay for the flatbed transport anyway. 6 years & 22K miles into ownership of my 2010 458; the one that passed PPI.
Yup, buyer beware! Trust where appropriate but always verify.

 

You stole the words out of my keyboard!

 

Thank you for the warning and advice. Also for the valuable information. I didn't know we had such resources to further verify VINs to inquire about potential serious vehicle history. I feel terrible because somebody will buy that isn't aware and probably will never know. The documents he signs will probably have that disclosure is microscopic lettering and he won't have any legal resource after purchase. I anticipate heartache and disapointment.

 

I checked out the dealership and they have sold other Ferraris and also have some in stock. I find it interesting that they don't offer free Carfax in any of their cars. With your investigation and the pretty large inventory of past and present Ferraris, I feel this dealership is rebuilding Ferraris that have sustained some sort of damage, perhaps major damage and selling them for massive profit. If that is the case, this should be disclosed and if not, illegal. Seems like they have found some sort of loophole and and profiting from this. It angers me that some people have worked hard to own their dream car, finally find what they think they have been looking for; a clean used Ferrari, and then up buying into this type of BS business.

 

It’s a Florida car...not surprised!


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https://images.app.goo.gl/RNWMqg4VRq1h6pnAA

Doesn’t look that bad for a total loss from
The salvage pics.


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It is amazing what you can find (when you know what you are doing and how to do it).

I purchased my car 1.5 years ago and I must admit that this thread got me thinking......
I went out to the garage and I looked at my VIN. I plugged it into the website and hoped not to be surprised.
When we bought our car I thought I did all the right things and I was happy to see nothing listed for it.
I remember taking my car to my favorite body shop for the owner's blessing (like I always do on my cars that I am thinking of buying)..
So maybe I did do what needed to be done. I just know that things can be missed and these sites can mean the difference between a great buy and a terrible lesson.
I will sleep soundly tonight.

GG

 

No dog in this fight. Just saving the picture for later.

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I'm always checking up on 458's and see they have a few for sale & sold many in the past, their prices & selection is a bit strange..i don't want to trash anyone without knowing facts, but i smell something, and it doesn't smell good...leave it at that!

 

I bought a Gwagon for my son from these guys a couple years ago. In the pics it looked great but in person you could see that it was a complete rust bucket. There were so many issues I don't know where to start. They are a fraud. The owner lied repeatedly. In the end I told him I was coming down to handle it in person which prompted him to reimburse me some money which I took and then sold to a wholesaler. Looks like this was not an isolated deal.

 

Great detective work!

 

From where I am from, it is said that for a sample, a button suffices...

 

I was looking at this car also. Based on Internet research that I did about the dealership, I would pass on anything they had for sale.

 

They are shady, I would definitely stay away.

 

Below are some additional ways to get info prior to purchasing a car. I use this all in addition to a PPI. Some of the information might be repetitive but if they all reconcile with each other, it can be used to solidify your decision to purchase or pass.

Free checks
1. VINCheck® Lookup | National Insurance Crime Bureau (nicb.org)
2. Check Any VIN - It's Free | Free Vehicle History and VIN Check
3. Create a free Carfax account. Go to your garage and simply add a car to your garage by entering in a VIN#. It will show you any service history in more detail along with any open recalls, etc.
4. Just enter in the VIN# into Google. You'd be surprised how many dealerships a car may have gone through. You can see the old listings to see if anything interesting pops up. Sometimes they do.

Paid checks
1. Get a report from Autocheck.
2. Get a report from CarFax (buy it if they don't provide it for free)
3. Get a PPI done.

The reason for the Autocheck report is I believe they are a bit more accurate, especially when it comes to accidents. Apparently there is a lag in many cases with you deal with a CarFax report - can be up to 6 or more months after an accident occurs when it gets logged in by the police.

If I can remember anything else I'll add here but hope this helps out.

 

https://www.bbb.org/us/fl/fort-lauderdale/profile/used-car-dealers/carrio-motors-0633-90080630

 

Great job on the research and it’s obvious this dealer is horrible and looking for uneducated buyers. Unfortunately they’ll likely find them


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This is some serious stuff. This dealership doesn't have a long BBB history, but as it is short it is indeed significantly terrible enough to stay away. Red flag number one (as the reviews themselves aren't bad enough), not BBB certified. Red flag number two, there doesn't seem to be an actual physical dealership. Red flag number thee, I noticed that all pictures taken of cars are in front of a house (this was also noted in one of the BBB complaints). I am more certain now that these cars are salvage/auction vehicles repaired for a huge profit.

I also read in more than one complaint that the cars, in addition to being kept for up to 50 plus days after sale transaction has been completed; shortly after being received and used, the CEL turns on. Seems like they reset the light before they send the car away. Nice way to pretend that the car is in good shape for the immediate period that the car is received. The long keep time also makes me wonder if they are patching things up to make the car get there in an apparent "acceptable", something they don't do well at all. In addition to CEL, there are complaints of oil leaks.

Obviously, this, so called, "dealership" should be out of the question and all efforts should be targeted to get this guy out of business for scamming people.

My two cents, Yes, I buy online without seeing what I am buying. Amazon, Coffee, on rare occasions shoes (never clothing); but a car, house, boat, airplane, land or country (joke) you are planning to buy, you should see for yourself. For cars, I suggest you carry an OBD2 scanner, it is a cheap tool that will weed out most of the tricks out there and for the ones who pass the test get a PPI, it may be money lost but well spent if it avoids you getting a 180k mistake (or any amount of money, for that matter).

Sometimes we just get so infatuated with that we think we want and end up forgetting about vetting businesses before we make a purchase. Maybe because we want this thing so much that we are afraid we will find something wrong with it and not be able to get it or because waiting may cause you to lose it to somebody else. If I lose something to somebody else, it wasn't meant to me. If I find something wrong with it, I wouldn't want it. Either way, I win.

 

I appreciate this thread.

 

I was looking at a 599 they have but no anymore.

 

Carrio sells salvage cars and uses loopholes to not advertise this. Avoid them no matter how good the deal is. If it’s too good to be true, it is. Carrio is a scam.


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It amazes me how Carrio can remain in business. Below looks like more evidence of scamming. A quick google also shows plenty of ongoing litigation.